Coronavirus Page 653

  • Blackmarsh63 29 Jun 2020 08:13:23 3,276 posts
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    So if you live in Leicester and hoping to go to the pub this weekend you'll have to wait another 2 weeks it seems ☹
  • sport 29 Jun 2020 08:44:06 15,997 posts
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    Will they have mass road blocks in place? How do they stop an exodus to neighbouring towns for happy hour?
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 08:46:14 8,631 posts
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    sport wrote:
    Will they have mass road blocks in place? How do they stop an exodus to neighbouring towns for happy hour?
    My understanding is a local lockdown isn't really about stopping people leaving, it's about stopping community spread in an area by getting people to act how they would have done in early April
  • sport 29 Jun 2020 08:49:34 15,997 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    sport wrote:
    Will they have mass road blocks in place? How do they stop an exodus to neighbouring towns for happy hour?
    My understanding is a local lockdown isn't really about stopping people leaving, it's about stopping community spread in an area by getting people to act how they would have done in early April
    Could be difficult when everything's open one postcode over.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 29 Jun 2020 08:50:39 24,942 posts
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    They've shut the opticians down there so Rockingham Castle is going to be fucking heaving.
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 08:51:36 8,631 posts
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    sport wrote:
    richardiox wrote:
    sport wrote:
    Will they have mass road blocks in place? How do they stop an exodus to neighbouring towns for happy hour?
    My understanding is a local lockdown isn't really about stopping people leaving, it's about stopping community spread in an area by getting people to act how they would have done in early April
    Could be difficult when everything's open one postcode over.
    Yes, like pretty much every public health intervention it relies on compliance - and even at "only" 75% compliance it should have a significant impact in stopping the spread locally.
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2020 09:43:13 20,704 posts
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    Theyíll just go further afield and spread it elsewhere. Bound to happen.
  • christourlord 29 Jun 2020 09:43:54 2,766 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I'm still struggling months later. Just about able to train again (at significantly reduced intensity) but I'm still dealing with an irregular heartbeat, and on a few occasions in the last week I've walked upstairs and had to really focus on my breathing for about a minute before I could hold a conversation.

    It's properly fucking shit, and it's causing me massive anxiety.
    This sounds awful - sorry.

    Ectopic heart beats can be caused by lots of things (including stress and anxiety), so it may be something relatively benign that sorts its self out. An ECG and maybe a holter monitor would be worthwhile to put your mind to rest, so it would be worth seeing a cardiologist if you can.
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 09:49:00 94,086 posts
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    My ectopic beats are significantly better (perversely) since I came off my betablocker
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 10:18:31 8,631 posts
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    Couple of rage inducing bits of news today:

    1) BoJo has said that our "best in Europe" Covid mortality rate is due to the UK having the highest levels of obesity in Europe (other than Malta). Nothing to do with his government response.

    2) Gavin Williamson has said in September schools will be going back with full class sizes and no need for social distancing AND parents who don't send their children back will be fined.

    Mate, if your government did their job and got the case rate down to what we see in France, Italy, Spain, Holland, Germany, Belgium....then I will send my kid to school. When we're still having around 3-5K new infections every single day (still mid epidemic) you can get fucked with your fines.

    Totally putting parents over a barrel. If the case rate is still this high in 10 weeks and I "have" to send my kid to school it means that I'm not comfortable with him seeing his grandparents.

    Realistically, I think you could just ignore the fine and let them send for you. What a mess. Get this shit under control then we'll talk. Furious about this.

    Edited by richardiox at 10:19:07 29-06-2020
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 10:21:20 94,086 posts
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    Yup. And bugger the teachers
  • RGeefe 29 Jun 2020 11:04:42 985 posts
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    I genuinely cannot see that concept still being in place from start of September. It's 8 weeks away. Nothing moves that fast. Plus a summer spike.

    It's made all the worse by seeing just how well Scotland are doing. Yes, I know their population is 10% the size and easier to control but come on. The progress they have made is huge.
  • christourlord 29 Jun 2020 11:10:55 2,766 posts
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    How can he be talking about fines for parents in 2 months when we don't even have any idea what state we will be in this time next month? No means of comprehensive contact tracing will even be in place by September. It's fucking baffling.
  • christourlord 29 Jun 2020 11:12:38 2,766 posts
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    I guess it shifts people's attention away from what a disaster it has been up to this point, to a hypothetical future that will probably never come to fruition.

    Edited by christourlord at 11:13:01 29-06-2020
  • nickthegun 29 Jun 2020 11:13:54 81,772 posts
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    RGeefe wrote:
    It's made all the worse by seeing just how well Scotland are doing. Yes, I know their population is 10% the size and easier to control but come on. The progress they have made is huge.
    You just have to look at the difference in response. Legohead looks and sounds authoritative and delivers her briefing clearly and concisely. The scots at least know where they stand.

    Boris utters hyperbolic buzzwords and then does some press-ups.
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 11:16:33 8,631 posts
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    It's classic Tory wishful thinking...and moving the national needle closer to "this is the reality of life with a Covid epidemic so get on with it" - whilst refuting any comparison with statistical neighbours who have shown that this doesn't have to be the reality of life with Covid.

    I'm increasingly convinced their long term plan is to shift the problem onto the public... which is neoliberal Tory think anyway. We have a government who at their heart, don't believe in the value of local or national government.

    Survival of the fittest (wealthiest)
  • PazJohnMitch 29 Jun 2020 11:32:02 15,801 posts
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    Tory position has always been the public needs to deal with it. That is why they provided guidelines and not legally enforced rules.

    (Sadly the World response overall clearly shows that in general the Public cannot be trusted to be responsible for themselves and enforced rules weíre more effective).
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 11:39:03 8,631 posts
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    How long til the ultra neoliberal governments (Brazil, UK, USA) realise you can't apply the same logic to a pandemic as you would free market economics?
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2020 11:56:16 20,704 posts
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    American and United airlines now booking to capacity.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 29 Jun 2020 12:05:26 13,547 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    American and United airlines now booking to capacity.
    Itís fine because everything is better in America now
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 29 Jun 2020 12:07:39 13,547 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Yup. And bugger the teachers
    If Mrs Maybe is teaching full class sizes again then her parents wonít be able to look after Baby Maybe and Iíll have to request an extension of my home working into the autumn.

    Canít risk infecting an elderly cancer survivor.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 29 Jun 2020 12:08:03 13,547 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    How long til the ultra neoliberal governments (Brazil, UK, USA) realise you can't apply the same logic to a pandemic as you would free market economics?
    Never
  • Nitrous 29 Jun 2020 12:18:00 2,023 posts
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    Long before any of this started it was already apparent the majority of people couldn't be trusted. Couple of examples just from over the weekend.

    Home bargains a women ignores the queue that started behind me. I told the girl on the till it was fine and she said it happens all the time.

    Aldi, similar thing but this time stands right beside me not even behind me.
    Lunatics and Buses? Mask mandatory at all times? Could see people with them through the window but I don't think they work well round the neck or head.

    Edited by Nitrous at 12:19:08 29-06-2020
  • Psychotext 29 Jun 2020 12:20:52 66,953 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    :( Have you been in touch with the docs re irregular heartbeat? May need looking into further. (try and record it if you can to show them if it's intermittent)
    christourlord wrote:
    Ectopic heart beats can be caused by lots of things (including stress and anxiety), so it may be something relatively benign that sorts its self out. An ECG and maybe a holter monitor would be worthwhile to put your mind to rest, so it would be worth seeing a cardiologist if you can.
    Cheers for the info, and yeah, I need to make an appointment. Problem is, work just started up again for me and I need to get as much done as possible due to earning nothing for two months (and no government assistance). I did actually have an appointment scheduled for an ECG but my local hospital was rammed with COVID patients so they cancelled it.

    ...next time I notice it I'll stick on my HRV monitor and grab a trace.

    Edited by Psychotext at 12:23:40 29-06-2020
  • elstoof 29 Jun 2020 12:33:38 25,682 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:

    Boris utters hyperbolic buzzwords and then does some press-ups.
    Would it help at all if he spoke a few words in Ancient Greek
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 12:38:26 94,086 posts
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    Yep, do that. My arrhythmia was so intermittent, it made virtually every ECG utterly pointless unless having an episode.
  • Psychotext 29 Jun 2020 12:40:38 66,953 posts
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    I must admit that I broke social distancing in order to get out of a store last week. They'd made it so that the only way to the exit doors was via the tills... which was via a massive queue.

    No way in fuck was I standing in a queue for half hour if I wasn't buying anything. I'm sure everyone thought I was a cunt, but I was at least wearing a mask, which almost none of the people in the queue were doing. :(
  • Cadence 29 Jun 2020 12:56:28 2,481 posts
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    I'm fucking livid at this news they're going to start fining parents. What the actual fuck are they thinking? So they want school at full capacity come September? Hopefully this will be another thing they have to backtrack once opening up the country shows infection rates getting out of hand again. What happens if you refuse to pay these fines do you end up going to court? Fuck this country and fuck the Tories.
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2020 12:57:41 20,704 posts
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    I've had to wear a 24hr ECG a number of times when I was having bad anxiety attacks after I'd been discharged from hospital. I'm not sure if you'd be allowed to do any training with one of them on but you're supposed to go about your daily business. I ended up seeing a heart specialist and to be honest, they were brilliant. Ended up having to take a load of pills (which I do to this day) but it's sorted me right out.

    Very different circumstances I know but get whatever help or treatment you can to help you.
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2020 13:08:05 20,704 posts
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    R number in the north west is approx 0.7 and "decreasing".

    East - 0.6
    South East - 0.9
    West Midlands - 0.8

    London and South West - 1.1
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