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  • captbirdseye 29 Jun 2020 13:12:34 9,629 posts
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    @Cadence a mixture of government incompetence and Unions being uterrly useless.
  • Not-a-reviewer 29 Jun 2020 13:14:54 6,227 posts
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    The guidance to schools is still vague and completely impractical given class sizes. The government have been working on turning the public against teachers and parents for weeks now, they know most of their supporters are old people who donít have kids to worry about and people that need the schools to be open.

    Itís been clear for a couple of weeks that their solution to distancing in schools is just to say those rules arenít going to apply. Even if kids are safe, school drop off for that many kids is going to be a nightmare. Iíve seen what itís like at schools with just 2 years going in.
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 13:18:27 8,631 posts
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    @Not-a-reviewer

    Kids aren't safe though, they're just less likely to have severe symptoms and perhaps (but not proven) less likely to spread.

    I'm sure there was an article last week where the survey group of kids who developed symptoms, one in ten needed hospital treatment.

    The best way to make schools as safe as they can be is to get community transmission right down before reopening. This is where the government failed and continues to fail. So plan B is to put the problem on headteachers. Cool!

    Another example of the governments "new normal" just being the old normal with your fingers crossed behind your back.

    Edited by richardiox at 13:21:55 29-06-2020
  • Not-a-reviewer 29 Jun 2020 13:22:15 6,227 posts
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    No I know theyíre not safe, although risk seems a bit less, but thatís the line that has been pushed hard for months now.
  • Cadence 29 Jun 2020 13:22:24 2,481 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    @Not-a-reviewer

    Kids aren't safe though, they're just less likely to have severe symptoms and perhaps (but not proven) less likely to spread.

    I'm sure there was an article last week where the survey group of kids who developed symptoms, one in ten needed hospital treatment.

    The best way to make schools as safe as they can be is to get community transmission right down before reopening. This is where the government failed and continues to fail. So plan B is to put the problem on headteachers. Cool!
    That's right. One in ten children are hospitalised. Fucking mild symptoms my ass. Perhaps they mean mild by Victorian standards where losing just one leg to gangrene was considered mild.

    Edited by Cadence at 13:23:00 29-06-2020
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 29 Jun 2020 13:34:15 24,942 posts
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    Saying 1 in 10 children are hospitalised is hugely misleading. The study showed that 1-10 children who had tested positive needed intensive care. The vast majority of the kids who had tested positive had it bad enough to be in hospital already or else they wouldn't have been tested.

    So it's one in 10 kids who were already in hospital with it needed intensive care. Which is a vastly different scenario than 1-10 children who catch it needing hospital care.

    I'm far from happy about the school situation either but exaggerating things and scaremongering does no-one any good.
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 13:53:11 8,631 posts
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    @Decks

    Need to check but I thought the study said 1 in 10 positive cases required hospital treatment rather than 1 in 10 already in hospital required intensive care.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-53181525

    "More than half of the children studied were admitted to hospital, and 8% needed treatment in intensive care."

    It's confusing, but if half of the children studied required hospital treatment that's pretty bad. Even allowing for the fact they were only studying kids who had tested positive.

    Honestly, as a parent I'm not sure it's a risk I want to take when we're having 3K+ new cases per day which is a lot of community spread

    Edited by richardiox at 13:57:11 29-06-2020
  • PazJohnMitch 29 Jun 2020 13:59:23 15,801 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    R number in London and South West - 1.1
    Annoyingly predictable.
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 14:02:27 8,631 posts
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    PazJohnMitch wrote:
    beastmaster wrote:
    R number in London and South West - 1.1
    Annoyingly predictable.
    Better get those pubs open asap. Definitely don't mandate mask wearing, that's not what a "liberal" government does (love how BoJo frames himself as liberal...)
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 29 Jun 2020 14:02:29 24,942 posts
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    So "They all tested positive for Covid-19 during the initial peak of the pandemic in April and had been seen at one of 82 specialist healthcare centres for their symptoms."

    Means they had it bad enough to be taken to a healthcare centre. 1 in 10 then went on to need intensive care. Which again is a lot different to 1 in 10 kids who get it needing hospital care. It's 1 in 10 kids who already got it bad enough to go to a healthcare centre need intensive care. The vast majority of kids will not get it that bad.

    But yeah I'm not happy about the risks either and have kept my kid off school, but throwing around statements like 1 in 10 kids end up in hospital is going to cause parents a shit load of unneeded anxiety.
  • richardiox 29 Jun 2020 14:21:46 8,631 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    So "They all tested positive for Covid-19 during the initial peak of the pandemic in April and had been seen at one of 82 specialist healthcare centres for their symptoms."

    Means they had it bad enough to be taken to a healthcare centre. 1 in 10 then went on to need intensive care. Which again is a lot different to 1 in 10 kids who get it needing hospital care. It's 1 in 10 kids who already got it bad enough to go to a healthcare centre need intensive care. The vast majority of kids will not get it that bad.

    But yeah I'm not happy about the risks either and have kept my kid off school, but throwing around statements like 1 in 10 kids end up in hospital is going to cause parents a shit load of unneeded anxiety.
    You're right, it's misleading but it does counter the perpetuated narrative that "kids can't catch it" or "kids don't really get ill from it".

    If they so get ill, half need hospital treatment and 8% need intensive care. Fuck that this early in the pandemic. We're still in chapter one of the Covid Saga and I really don't want to risk my family until a couple more chapters in. Real dilemma with school though as my oldest starting reception in September.

    At this point I unrealistically just want to move the whole family to a little small holding until next year then take stock then.
  • IRWATWO 29 Jun 2020 14:41:12 702 posts
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    Pfft. If you all followed the Prime Ministers clear example, you would all have SEVERAL families scattered around the country, so if you do lose any, there are others to fall back on. It's just common sense.

    He can do a press up too.
  • PazJohnMitch 29 Jun 2020 14:42:00 15,801 posts
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    Looks like the President of Burundi has managed to top the dumbest response to Covid 19 shit list.

    Sorry late ex-President

    Edited by PazJohnMitch at 14:43:06 29-06-2020
  • THFourteen 29 Jun 2020 16:09:37 53,685 posts
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    @richardiox

    I think youíre misreading that analysis a bit. The majority of kids will not even realise they have had it, and those arenít covered by the study. The study is only looking at kids who tested positive for it, most kids wonít even have been to the doctors for any of the symptoms, so they are disregarded from the results.

    FWIW my son has been back at school 9-3, 3 days a week since it reopened, and he says that there are 13 kids in his class, so only 2 havenít gone back.

    Edited by THFourteen at 16:10:43 29-06-2020
  • X201 29 Jun 2020 16:19:25 20,695 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    R number in London and South West - 1.1
    Minus 1.1?! That's Brilliant.
    Boris' Britain showing Johnny virus who's boss.
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 17:13:21 94,086 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:


    FWIW my son has been back at school 9-3, 3 days a week since it reopened, and he says that there are 13 kids in his class, so only 2 havenít gone back.
    That's most likely to do with the demographic and need for parents to work though, rather than any confidence re kids and the disease. My concern is less the kids themselves, more that we don't know how infectious they are.
  • THFourteen 29 Jun 2020 17:15:11 53,685 posts
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    @Dougs

    Not really tbh most of the mums are stay at home mums in his class, and the majority have siblings who are not at school too. We are probably one of a few in his class who both work.

    We havenít had many confirmed cases in our borough tho
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 17:16:10 94,086 posts
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    Those lattes don't drink themselves you know!
  • robc84 29 Jun 2020 20:12:49 14,422 posts
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    Weíve made the decision to let the 3 (nearly 4) year old go to nursery a couple of days a week. Sheís really struggled in lockdown and we are worried for her mental well-being (sheís become very angry, always upset etc.). It was a hard decision but I think a few weeks of nursery before the summer break will do her the world of good.

    They seem to have some good measures in place (1 teacher has no more than 3 kids, separating sections for each group to stop mixing etc.).

    Hope itís the right decision.
  • Nitrous 29 Jun 2020 20:13:09 2,023 posts
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    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/pub-takeaway-service-sees-people-18500815.amp

    Hmm a sign of things to come but I really hope not. The rough pubs round here... Euurrg it's going to be awful isn't it.
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2020 20:15:27 20,704 posts
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    I assume the pubs will open up their toilets when they open. Just stay away from the proper rough pubs. If the weather is going to be great, itíll be fucking rammed.
  • Mr_Sleep 29 Jun 2020 20:17:50 23,340 posts
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    @robc84 there is no correct decision as everything is so unclear and there is no regret to foster at a later date as many of the choices afforded people are shit choices.
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 20:22:44 94,086 posts
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    Yup, all very uncertain. No right or wrong, can only do what you think is right
  • robc84 29 Jun 2020 20:26:14 14,422 posts
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    Yeah, the boy is now doing non contact, socially distanced football training so gets to see his mates at least. She has nothing, poor kid.
  • Mr_Sleep 29 Jun 2020 20:32:19 23,340 posts
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    I am fully bought into the idea that covid is a disease of indoors* so you may wish to suggest that teachers teach outside more or at least crack all the windows. I can post some links to back this up if you want.

    * which may also be good evidence for the lab hypothesis...ahem
  • Technoishmatt 29 Jun 2020 21:02:07 4,130 posts
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    Our son goes back to nursery on Wednesday. They seem to have taken lots of precautions.
  • Trowel 29 Jun 2020 21:21:21 23,406 posts
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    Confirmed Leicester is being shut down - non-essential shops from tomorrow, schools from Thursday. Be interesting to see how Joe Public reacts to this given the shit we've seen when restrictions are relaxed.
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 21:28:10 94,086 posts
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    I am pleased that they have shown they are willing to take that approach. Do we know what the criteria was for doing so? R above 1 or whatever?
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2020 21:31:26 20,704 posts
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    Anyone who wants to get their nails done, a haircut or go out and get hammered can just to to the nearest other cities. Theyíve got to do something but the people who live there clearly donít give a fuck.
  • Trowel 29 Jun 2020 21:35:28 23,406 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    I am pleased that they have shown they are willing to take that approach. Do we know what the criteria was for doing so? R above 1 or whatever?
    I believe the scientific criteria used was tails.
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