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General_Martok 1,862 posts
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THFourteen 53,952 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGibroon wrote:
I mean 10k cases a day might well BE the endgame. Or 30k. It depends on level of symptoms and how badly hospitals are affected.
I just don't believe the general public will be keeping sensible up until April 12th or after. The statement may have been needed for some sort of sense of endgame but you can guarantee from now on there will be a lot more mingling in homes etc "'cos we've beaten the virus" even though we are still at 10K cases a day and April is still 6 weeks or so away.
With something like flu, we don't know what the infection rate is because a lot of people have symptoms requiring no hospital treatment, others are vaccinated, and only a proportion die.
COVID will be something we live with like flu for a very long time, if not forever. -
Armoured_Bear 29,798 posts
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Registered 9 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
I don't think you can state that with confidence. We don't know that.
COVID will be something we live with like flu for a very long time, if not forever. -
TheSaint 20,388 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
Not if keeping such a high daily case count leads to a vaccine-resistant mutation.
The endgame is not only in sight, but we’re in it.
Interesting thread here on the risks associated with the government's willingness to keep cases high and the R potentially above 1.
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THFourteen 53,952 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI hate how BAME has become a thing.
I am as non-woke as any daily mail reader but for some reason being lumped into BAME irritates the fuck out of me. -
nickthegun 85,079 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTheSaint wrote:
I would say we are, regardless. This week marks a calendar year since I was last in the office and probably got covids and Im about to crack. I daresay much of the country is feeling the same.
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
Not if keeping such a high daily case count leads to a vaccine-resistant mutation.
The endgame is not only in sight, but we’re in it.
We will get the vaccinations done and if push comes to shove, I think we will just end up rolling the dice as everyone is absolutely fucking sick of this. -
SolidSCB 14,913 posts
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Registered 12 years agoThe kicker is that obviously, we won't get more useful data until things start opening up again. Were at 10k a day in lockdown, we need to see where we're at when the kids go back, the non-essential shops/businesses, etc etc.
Which is exactly what they are saying what they will do obvs. But we've seen absolutely nothing to suggest this isn't going to go exactly as it has before. I just don't see a situation where they are going to admit they got it wrong or were off with the timing if it becomes clear they have to.
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nickthegun 85,079 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
How would you group it then?
I hate how BAME has become a thing.
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THFourteen 53,952 posts
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Registered 16 years agoArmoured_Bear wrote:
It can never reach zero, therefore it will exist forever.
THFourteen wrote:
I don't think you can state that with confidence. We don't know that.
COVID will be something we live with like flu for a very long time, if not forever. -
THFourteen 53,952 posts
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Registered 16 years agonickthegun wrote:
I mean I don't really care enough to give it any thought, but I don't understand why Asian is used to refer to people from so many different ethnicities, I'm of Indian origin and we are culturally and genetically super different to people of e.g. Chinese descent.
THFourteen wrote:
How would you group it then?
I hate how BAME has become a thing.
I am as non-woke as any daily mail reader but for some reason being lumped into BAME irritates the fuck out of me.
Pakistani and Indian and Bangaldashi and Sri Lankan lumped intogether, fine that makes some sense. -
General_Martok 1,862 posts
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Registered 5 years agoThe term Asian is pretty useless. It's a HUGE place. -
nickthegun 85,079 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI mean, this isn’t the enthography thread but it does seem that ‘Asian’ refers to the dominant Asian minority in a country. In America ‘Asian’ is, pretty much, Chinese and they seem to refer to Indian and Pakistanis as south Asian. -
THFourteen 53,952 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSo BASAME then? works. -
TheSaint 20,388 posts
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Registered 15 years agoBAME+ -
SolidSCB 14,913 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI'm kinda glad it's not just me that finds referring to people who are more obviously of Indian descent as Asian awkward. I always feel as though it's being overly sensitive to the point of being patronising. It feels like the equivalent of trying your best to avoid saying black to me. -
nickthegun 85,079 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI dunno. Youve got to sort people into boxes and 'not white' is probably a bit on the nose. -
Armoured_Bear 29,798 posts
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Registered 9 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
To my understanding that's not true, will depend on many things such s how long vaccine immunity lasts.
Armoured_Bear wrote:
It can never reach zero, therefore it will exist forever.
THFourteen wrote:
I don't think you can state that with confidence. We don't know that.
COVID will be something we live with like flu for a very long time, if not forever. -
THFourteen 53,952 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@Armoured_Bear
But it can never be 0 across the world. It will never be 0 in India for example because there are so many people in the rural population, 80% of people in india die in their beds without any form of medical diagnosis or medical report...
We can't run border testing forever, and even if we did, one person would slip through, and COVID started with one person in the UK and look where we are now.
The virus will mutate and become effective against today's vaccines that then need to be tweaked to compensate.
I just cannot see a 0 covid situation being viable. -
Dougs 98,009 posts
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Registered 18 years agoNot now, I agree. Even if we'd locked down early with border controls, I have my doubts that we could have achieved what NZ have. -
X201 21,392 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
It is viable.
I just cannot see a 0 covid situation being viable.
The actual question is when? - and how hard the world wants to push for it.
Although most will settle for it only killing a small number of the population. -
SolidSCB 14,913 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI think the endgame is, ironically, going to be "it's just like the flu". -
Load_2.0 32,641 posts
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Registered 18 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
My workplace dumped it as a term. I can see why it's not a popular acronym.
I hate how BAME has become a thing.
I am as non-woke as any daily mail reader but for some reason being lumped into BAME irritates the fuck out of me. -
You-can-call-me-kal 22,784 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
I’m not really sure why it can’t just be ME, as that covers BA anyway.
So BASAME then? works. -
Armoured_Bear 29,798 posts
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Registered 9 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
I take your point about India, for the non-basket case parts of the world it could be viable depending on mutation, immunity and levels of vaccination. Neither you nor I know how the virus will react in the future, especially in a heavily vaccinated population.
@Armoured_Bear
But it can never be 0 across the world. It will never be 0 in India for example because there are so many people in the rural population, 80% of people in india die in their beds without any form of medical diagnosis or medical report...
We can't run border testing forever, and even if we did, one person would slip through, and COVID started with one person in the UK and look where we are now.
The virus will mutate and become effective against today's vaccines that then need to be tweaked to compensate.
I just cannot see a 0 covid situation being viable. -
General_Martok 1,862 posts
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Registered 5 years agoArmoured_Bear wrote:
A basket case part of the world where 1in 8 people alive live and lots of goods are manufactured.
THFourteen wrote:
I take your point about India, for the non-basket case parts of the world it could be viable depending on mutation, immunity and levels of vaccination. Neither you nor I know how the virus will react in the future, especially in a heavily vaccinated population.
@Armoured_Bear
But it can never be 0 across the world. It will never be 0 in India for example because there are so many people in the rural population, 80% of people in india die in their beds without any form of medical diagnosis or medical report...
We can't run border testing forever, and even if we did, one person would slip through, and COVID started with one person in the UK and look where we are now.
The virus will mutate and become effective against today's vaccines that then need to be tweaked to compensate.
I just cannot see a 0 covid situation being viable.
You really are annoying. -
Youthist 14,459 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe point about India and other countries that will never eradicate it is a massive one to just shrug off. It can never in my view be zero ever again, but it will get to the point where the level of death and severe illnes that Covid creates in the UK will make it not even newsworthy (probably a 18 months away from now in my view). -
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You-can-call-me-kal 22,784 posts
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Registered 15 years agoUnless a country closes its borders forever, it can’t ever reach 0 permanently. But it doesn’t need to so it doesn’t matter.
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DakeyrasUK 4,920 posts
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Registered 8 years agoIt will be like yellow fever or dengue fever. Certain places in the world will have it in near constant circulation. Most of the world will have vaccinated against it and if you go travelling to rural India you will probably be expected to have the latest vaccine to avoid bringing the latest home.
And incoming tourists should also be expected to have had the latest vaccine. At least a competent government would have these procedures in place once we have transmission in this country dropped to levels last seen 12-13 months ago. -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56169616
Covid-19: PM 'optimistic' restrictions can end by 21 June
For fucks sake he never learns. /o\
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