Armoured_Bear wrote:Tell me, is there some kind of miracle material involved in the cooling |
So how much do people use linux these days?
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fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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pyper777 272 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI basically put Linux on my old PC hardware, so if my main Windows PC fails I have something to use. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoTim Apple wrote:
I basically put Linux on my old PC hardware. -
Nazo 1,951 posts
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Registered 12 years agofontgeeksogood wrote:
Yup, you put it in the freezer, and that cools it enough to be able to run properly. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/17/core-i9-chip-macbook-pro-throttling/
Armoured_Bear wrote:
Tell me, is there some kind of miracle material involved in the cooling
A PC is more than just the CPU and GPU, if you compare an Apple laptop with a pc that's half the price and has the same spec, you'll see that the Apple will often have a better screen, better trackpad, speakers, better build quality, cooling system etc. -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agodominalien wrote:
Fair enough, they did address some stuff with the 16" Macbook pro and the shit keyboards are all gone now but yeah, I hate the soldered on shit.
Armoured_Bear wrote:
It must not be a Mac because they've lost me hardware-wise. Soldered on memory, soldered on ssd, a single port with dongles everywhere, no magsafe, terrible T2 chip, terrible keyboards recently, terrible bar instead of F keys.
dominalien wrote:
Why must it not be a mac and what does that make you sad?
Macs used to be great back when they moved from PPC to x86. Not any more. I really need to get a new laptop, I have no idea what to get, apart from it can’t be a Mac, as sad as that makes me.
It makes me sad because their design really appeals to my taste, I appreciate the premium feel and I fully subscribe to their stance on privacy. I generally don't mind the price, as I'm prepared to pay a premium for stuff that really appeals. Though stuff like the recent $1000 monitor stand really puts me off them big time. -
Frogofdoom 17,973 posts
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Registered 9 years ago@fontgeeksogood he is the sort of fucking idiot that apple love as they keep throwing money at their overpriced and under specced tech. -
dominalien 10,703 posts
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Registered 15 years agoAnyway, back on topic. I use Linux a lot and I consider it very good on the desktop and am very sad it doesn't get wider use.
It's not perfect obviously and it can't do "everything Windows can", though that's not a limitation of the OS itself but rather of the software available for it, which in turn stems from its marketshare alone.
There's also a lot of bad press for one reason or another with the most baffling thing I see all the time is Windows users going on Linux sites and threads and telling people Linux sucks and that they're stupid for not using Windows.
The fact right now is installing a Linux is just as easy as installing Windows, out of the box it lets you browse the web and send and receive IMs and e-mails and make a document or a spreadsheet, and scan and print and your pendrives will work and many of your games will, too.
Generally people think monopolies are bad, but somehow that doesn't seem to apply to the PC operating system and the office suite. I think it would be very beneficial to everyone, except obviously MS itself, if there was actual competition in the OS space. Right now they can do whatever they want and people have to suck it up and that's never a good thing. -
dominalien 10,703 posts
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Registered 15 years agoFrogofdoom wrote:
Oh come on, there's no need for that. Apple have been very successful making and marketing products which people are willing to pay a premium for. Much like that Dior perfume you buy your wife for 150€ that costs less than 1€ to make or that diamond engagement ring which apparently has no actual value because the whole diamond market is controlled by a single company.
@fontgeeksogood he is the sort of fucking idiot that apple love as they keep throwing money at their overpriced and under specced tech. -
Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI use it from time to time, it has slightly better compilers and some interesting little projects on git to get into, but overall I try not to as the community is fucking insufferable and it's pretty shit to do anything but the most basic bitch stuff with.
Better than OSX though.
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Frogofdoom 17,973 posts
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Registered 9 years agoOr a monitor stand that costs almost nothing to make it costs a 1000 dollars. They make nice looking tech but its overpriced as hell. -
dominalien 10,703 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTo be fair, the monitor stand is much more overpriced than other stuff they sell. I consider it a sort of market test on their part to see how much they can increase their margins. -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agodominalien wrote:
Thanks, would be cool not to quote abusive morons like that, the ignore list means usually miss their bile.
Frogofdoom wrote:
Oh come on, there's no need for that. Apple have been very successful making and marketing products which people are willing to pay a premium for. Much like that Dior perfume you buy your wife for 150€ that costs less than 1€ to make or that diamond engagement ring which apparently has no actual value because the whole diamond market is controlled by a single company.
@fontgeeksogood he is the sort of fucking idiot that apple love as they keep throwing money at their overpriced and under specced tech. -
Frogofdoom 17,973 posts
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Registered 9 years agoAbusive moron or someone with 20 years experience working in hardware manufacturing, I even won an award as the ispa awards for innovative server design (a good few years back mind you). I have forgotten more than you will ever know about hardware so keep wasting your money you donkey.
Maybe I'm both, who knows.
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nudistpete 1,273 posts
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Registered 4 years agodominalien wrote:
If this was 20 years ago when I was wearing my Gnome t-shirt and Gimp cap (oo-er missus) I'd be agreeing with you. I'd be looking down my nose at the Windows peons who couldn't have a swiss cheese theme applied to their windowing interface (which, even thinking now I quite miss).
Anyway, back on topic. I use Linux a lot and I consider it very good on the desktop and am very sad it doesn't get wider use.
I don't think I could be arsed to spend the amount of time trying stuff like I did back then to find the best experience, I'm too old to be much of a tweaker in my home life. Windows just works well enough for me - and with raspberry pi's, docker desktop & Windows System for Linux there's little incentive to even consider dual-booting - why bother when I can install literally anything from both OS's and it just works in one place (admittedly I've not needed to run any X stuff, I'm sure that may be slightly more challenging....)
I'd love a ruddy good alternative, though. I thought the bloke who owns Canonical was going to crack the defacto Linux desktop with Ubuntu, but I've always been disappointed with the experience.
The one way Linux is way ahead on the desktop is package management. I've tried a few "Windows versions of apt/yum" over the years and they all have levels of suckage. -
Frogofdoom 17,973 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI'm much the same Pete. I struggle to find anything windows cant do for me so I cant be bothered to look elsewhere.
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beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI’ve worked with PCs and Unix etc. every day and have done for 25 years+. Last thing I want when I come home is to boot up Windows 10 or Linux.
I’ve always liked Macs and Apple stuff for personal use. Tried Android on a Galaxy for 18 months and hated it. I’ve got a very high spec HP Spectre X360 and never really use it.
Love my iMac. Started getting into shooting and editing videos and looking to move from iMovie to Final Cut Pro. Been looking at Logic Pro for sound production too.
End of the day, it’s just down to preference. Work - Windows 10 and UNIX. Fun and personal use - Apple.
Will have to find a use for that Spectre.
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Tomo 19,565 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI use Linux daily at work. It's great as a platform for programming, but I think a lot of that is because so much stuff started out there that people still have to use it because so many libraries etc depend on Linux.
Now Windows Subsystem for Linux is a lovely thing in combination with X11. Then you get the best of both worlds, without a huge amount of downsides. Tbf, OSX is also great for programming, but I don't have as much experience of that.
For games though, Windows hands down. I used to prefer OSX for general surfing and photo editing, Photoshop etc. But Windows 10 is really good, there's not a lot in it now for me. -
Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoThe unshakable belief that Linux can do everything and everyone else is an idiot for not using it grates on me. I use it, but I shut the fuck up about it. -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoDirtbox wrote:
What do you think about Windows, user Dirtbox?
The unshakable belief that Linux can do everything and everyone else is an idiot for not using it grates on me. I use it, but I shut the fuck up about it. -
Psiloc 6,366 posts
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Registered 14 years agodominalien wrote:
As a fast, scalable and stable OS it goes without saying it can't be beaten. But for an end user just walking up to it to do computery things, it's easily the worst option. It's entirely due to market share and lack of user friendly software; that side of things
Psiloc wrote:
That makes me sad
Linux: Do some of the things that Windows can do with thrice the effort
We have to use it a lot on low power always on ARM devices and it amazes me how robust it is. But its 100% "boot into it if you have to" for me -
Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoArmoured_Bear wrote:
Gets the job done and has a larger install base, so has more/better software.
Dirtbox wrote:
What do you think about Windows, user Dirtbox?
The unshakable belief that Linux can do everything and everyone else is an idiot for not using it grates on me. I use it, but I shut the fuck up about it.
I like linux because it's still the wild west and I'm sort of into the awful user experience.
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DodgyPast 9,353 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSo what distros do people use?
Personally using Endeavour OS which is based on Arch.
I'll probably swap to pure Arch eventually. -
dominalien 10,703 posts
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Registered 15 years agoIt's almost as if you didn't see how disinterested everyone here is .gif)
I mostly use Ubuntu or its derivatives like Mint (yeah, I know, I'm so pleb). I like Mint because the guy(s) who run it take a lot of care to make sure you get the best experience. For instance, Mint 20 is coming out next month and they decided to implement fractional scaling, which was missing from Cinnamon until now, and they really made sure it's a good experience for everyone, regardless of what gfx card you have (there was tearing with Intel, for instance). Too often I see people just throw functionality out there, hope for the best and fix it up later if people run into problems.
I also have a laptop with Manjaro, which I really like as well. And a gaming desktop with PopOS (Ubuntu-based again). That's been getting rave reviews from people, but I'm just not getting it myself, I've run into a few silly little problems here and there that I don't get elsewhere. But now Pop 20.04 is out, I just installed it last night and the new window tiling functionality looks interesting, will be looking at that later today, apparently it's like magic.
Lenovo is bringing out Fedora on some of its laptops in the near future and I'm seriously considering getting one of those, so I may be a Fedora user soon. I haven't lived in rpm-land in years now, not since I started out with Linux in the early noughties, I hope it's going to be good to be back.
On servers I run Proxmox, that's an awesome Debian-based hypervisor with various Linux servers as VMs and containers.
What about DEs? I'm a Gnome dude myself, KDE is just too cluttered for me. I don't mind Cinnamon so much, but it's just so traditional. -
dominalien 10,703 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPsiloc wrote:
I disagree here. The biggest hurdle is installation, which end users never do as the computer comes with Windows, after it's done there's nothing more to do. You just keep installing the updates. No forced restarts either, you install when you want and restart when it's convenient, if a restart is at all necessary, as very often it isn't.
dominalien wrote:
As a fast, scalable and stable OS it goes without saying it can't be beaten. But for an end user just walking up to it to do computery things, it's easily the worst option. It's entirely due to market share and lack of user friendly software; that side of things
Psiloc wrote:
That makes me sad
Linux: Do some of the things that Windows can do with thrice the effort
We have to use it a lot on low power always on ARM devices and it amazes me how robust it is. But its 100% "boot into it if you have to" for me
If by user-friendly you mean "exactly like what I already use and know, which basically means Photoshop and MS Office", then no, of course not. LibreOffice is competent and works, the much-maligned (once again, as far as I can tell because it's not exactly like Photoshop) GIMP is also competent and works, they both require a learning curve, as any new piece of software you come across.
So I'd argue for an end user it's a better experience out of the box. You immediately have a document writing program, a spreadsheet program, a photo-editing program, a photo-organising program, a music-listening program, a browser, a mail program, a PDF viewer. You don't have to download/buy any of those. -
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Registered 16 years agoI use Kali cuz im a badboy. -
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Registered 15 years ago@nudistpete
I've been waiting for WSL2 to come to the standard Windows channel for a while now (indeed for Docker) and I believe they mentioned it should have been in the april update but I'm having no luck enabling it. Are you on the fast track or using WSL1? -
DodgyPast 9,353 posts
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Registered 16 years agodominalien wrote:
A few were
It's almost as if you didn't see how disinterested everyone here is
On servers I run Proxmox, that's an awesome Debian-based hypervisor with various Linux servers as VMs and containers.
I've got my Windows and Linux as VMs running on top of UNRAID, it makes the most of the hardware I've got. Lots of dockers managing my plex workflow, nextcloud, shinobi and a pihole.
What about DEs? I'm a Gnome dude myself, KDE is just too cluttered for me. I don't mind Cinnamon so much, but it's just so traditional.
So far I like cinnamon with the papirus icons.
I've found Arch to be a nice balance between the easier distros and gentoo which I once ran.
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Psiloc 6,366 posts
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Registered 14 years ago@dominalien The problem is not so much the fundamental apps like that because of course those exist, it's the millions of other pieces of software that either don't exist outside of Windows and Mac or are only available in weird command line form, or you have to compile yourself.
For an average end user it's a compromise. It's free of course but it will make you work harder and some stuff just won't be available. Again it's not that there's anything wrong with the OS, it's entirely market share stuff. I'd love for it to become mainstream. -
I do all my banking through Emulationstation.
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CentOS is my prefered distro. Sure, it doesn't have the fanfare as Ubuntu or Fedora but it is a solid OS that can be used for just about any form of IT productivity without issue. We are moving from CentOS to RHEL at work soon and I couldn't be happier.
Oh, and if people think modern Linux distros are a pain to set up and configure, you should give Solaris a try...
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