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Youthist 14,723 posts
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Syrette 51,181 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI just fail to see the point in limiting the availability in the first place.
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To maximise profit this financial year. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agothe_milkybar_kid wrote:
There are a lot of reasons why it’s a problem, but one is that not everybody is able to just buy a game whenever they want. Some parents and kids will not be able to buy it in that time period.
I honestly don't see much of a problem. If you want the game, you'll have no problem getting it before it stops going on shelves. Be ot at launch or 6 months down the line.
But really it’s a principle that is the real issue here, which is fairly clear really. I’m far from anti-capitalist, like very much not indeed, but the absolutist perspective of the provider/consumer relation is vile.
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI’m no business guy but I suspect it’s because the sales for the mini SNES probably fell off a cliff after less than a year. Ultimately it went from getting scalped on eBay to discounted at Argos relatively fast, so they just want to bottle that initial madness and do away with the tail off. -
YYDeckard 230 posts
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Registered 4 years agoMini SNES was a huge huge seller....available for a limited period and Over 5 million sold..
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThere’s just no reason for them to behave this way as a business. It’s just horrible. They’re so successful. They have so much profit. And it’s actually not because of shit like this, but because for the most part they make extremely high quality, unique products that people genuinely love. They should represent the best of capitalism, not the worst of it. -
YYDeckard 230 posts
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Registered 4 years agoOxymoron ? Best of capitalism ? -
It sold 5 million or so and was always going to be a limited edition. It makes sense to have a limited production run for hardware. Maybe some people are upset because software isn't usually limited availability. Disney and artificial scarcity and all that. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYYDeckard wrote:
It’s completely unnecessary business practice like this, which make people think capitalism is inherently bad.
Oxymoron ? Best of capitalism ? -
So what can we do about it? Boycott all the awful tech companies...Apple, Google, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft all have terrible records. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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A start would be to not shut down any criticism with whataboutery.
So what can we do about it? Boycott all the awful tech companies...Apple, Google, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft all have terrible records. -
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
I was being serious!
rice_sandwich wrote:
A start would be to not shut down any criticism with whataboutery.
So what can we do about it? Boycott all the awful tech companies...Apple, Google, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft all have terrible records.
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agorice_sandwich wrote:
So was I. The absolute bare minimum we can do is not actually defend businesses for this type of behaviour, and shut down those that criticise it.
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
I was being serious!
rice_sandwich wrote:
A start would be to not shut down any criticism with whataboutery.
So what can we do about it? Boycott all the awful tech companies...Apple, Google, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft all have terrible records.
Vocal criticism on social media does actually make quite a lot happen. We’ve seen plenty of businesses (and governments) reverse these things and change behaviour based on clear strength of public opinion.
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Fair enough. I guess it depends on which side of the debate ones opinion lies. Some see it as a big issue and some don't really care. I predict All Stars will sell millions of copies and unfortunately encourage more of this sort of market offering.
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agorice_sandwich wrote:
Fwiw, I am trying to do this now, albeit to an inconsistent extent. It’s pissing in the wind but, among other things, I’m not buying this, I don’t buy games I judge to be anti-consumer, I’ve almost stopped buying stuff from amazon and I’m in the final furlong of ditching Facebook.
So what can we do about it? Boycott all the awful tech companies...Apple, Google, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft all have terrible records.
And I’ve not been in a Wetherspoons in nearly five years.
But, yeah, it’s largely futile in the face of people like the ones in this thread who are fine with getting the piss taken out of them.
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How could I forget Amazon. Truly the worst but they are so good at what they do. I stopped buying MS, Sony or Apple products long ago. I really like Nintendo games and recognise that by buying their stuff I condone their behaviour. Argh. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThere is on a macro level a very slow shift towards more progressive business models, and just generally not being completely and utterly profit focussed above all. That shift is being driven by changing consumer attitudes and behaviours (like Nick’s). And again social media is genuinely quite a big part of that. So it might feel like pissing in the wind but it is actually working. -
Rogueywon 12,387 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDerblington wrote:
It's less good for consumers than the usual way of selling games. Isn't that pretty much textbook anti-consumer?
Jesus Christ, give it a rest.
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YYDeckard 230 posts
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Registered 4 years agoI wish I could get that rattled about the problems of buying a luxury product off a luxury product company. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThe sad thing is, they won’t ever love you back. -
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Registered 14 years ago@Syrette
By limiting the sale for 6 months Nintendo are basically saying pay us £50/$60 now or miss out. There is no waiting for a sale or when you can afford it as the price will not drop and the game will disappear. Nintendo are essentially strong arming people that only think the product is worth £30-£40 into paying £50.
The thing that annoys me the most is that I know it will work and I will pony up the £50 even though I think it is over priced. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYYDeckard wrote:
Yes Nintendo are right up there with Rolls Royce and Cartier.
I wish I could get that rattled about the problems of buying a luxury product off a luxury product company. -
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Registered 17 years agoYouthist wrote:
The weird thing is, it looks like the Mario 3D World port will have a substantial amount of new content in the Bowser's Fury add-on. Why did they make new content for a 7-year old port instead of making separate DLC for their latest Mario game? So that they can then sell even more copies of said port, of course. It's extremely cynical but it works.
Why don’t we have some paid for DLC for Odyssey? Now that is what people would pay for. Or some new tracks on Mario Kart. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThere will be PLENTY of opportunities to rebuy Mario games in the decades to come. -
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Registered 14 years agoIt reminds me a bit of when Disney home videos were only available for a limited amount of time, then they could make a big song and dance about the video releases. It's just particularly egregious when it's a sodding download. -
nickthegun wrote:
I fully understand the argument, and I try and buy from companies that have decent practises in most cases. It's hard to boycott something when the alternative is not to have something that you would enjoy or find useful, and there's no alternative way of getting it. Don't like Amazon? Buy the same product somewhere else? Think Wetherspoons is shit? Drink somewhere else. But want to play Mario, then suck it up and pay Nintendo.
But, yeah, it’s largely futile in the face of people like the ones in this thread who are fine with getting the piss taken out of them.
Obviously the alternative is to play other games, but even then we only have 3 options, and all of them have been shit for consumers at some point. I agree they should get shit on social media when they do something bad, and that's proven it can work e.g. the U turn on in game ads in the recent UFC game. But boycotting feels like pissing in the wind unless you get a substantial number of people to join in. I'm not saying people shouldn't do it for their own reasons, or that is wouldn't work if enough people did it, but it is a bit demoralising and easy to think that a personal boycott will make no difference. I also don't people portraying people buying this game as chumps who are solely responding for supporting bad businesses (although we most certainly are in part responsible), when I'm pretty sure everyone has at some point.
It's easy to demonize a company when you aren't that bothered about a product. I decided to stop buying McDonald's 15 years ago, but that was easy for me as I didn't really like it anyway. I also can't imagine many people sold their PS4 when Sony tried to hide the fact they'd been hacked, but I was able to be self righteous about it as I didn't own one at the time. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoYeah, the thing about that is that I do want it. It would be a shelf queen to go with the other minis.
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Presumably it’s limited because the games will be individually sold on the eshop at a later date. Along with Galaxy 2, no doubt.
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