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Pretty sure I'm first to the party? £249 on 10th November 2020. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-08-xbox-series-s-finally-revealed-priced-usd299 At time of writing Sony haven't revealed the pricing or release date of the PS5 disc or discless versions, but it's a safe bet that the Series S is a unique proposition. Good second console? EDIT: Thought I'd put my predictions here so I can find them easily and laugh at how wrong I was. Optimistic I'd previously predicted a meagre £50 price difference between the disc/discless configurations of the PS5. I think thanks to MS we may instead see a £100 difference to get the price to £299 (which I guess makes my PS5 prediction £399). So at the low end the cheaper-still Series S competes with the discless, but otherwise fully specced PS5 at a £50 price difference Pessimistic My fear is that the disc version will be stupidly priced, with the discless version competing with the Series X, and nothing to compare to the Series S I plan to flip flop between these two depending on my mood Edited by Psiloc at 13:49:22 10-09-2020 |
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Psiloc 6,366 posts
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bighairybear65 345 posts
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Registered 8 years agoSounds great to me, having no 4K tv for foreseeable etc.
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Phattso 27,426 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWithout getting fanboy-ish, when the One X was kicking the PS4 Pro's arse up and down the street with fully native 4K the (entirely accurate) argument that a high quality upscale was plenty good enough was made. I think that same argument applies for the Series S, with the caveat that they'd have to do at least as good a job of it as the checker-boarding on PS4 Pro.
But that's only in the 4K context, there's a whole bunch of HDTV owners, or 1440p PC gamers, that might look at this and think... yep. That'll do. Never hurts to have the cheapest option..gif)
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PazJohnMitch 17,276 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThe Series S price has essentially moved me from completely indifference to a genuine interest.
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Switch-v85 4,290 posts
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Registered 7 years agoPazJohnMitch wrote:
Yep that’s where I am with it. It’s worth it for the backwards compatibility and game pass.
The Series S price has essentially moved me from completely indifference to a genuine interest.
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JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoSwitch-v85 wrote:
I imagine backwards compatibility can only work through either buying the games on the store and potentially having the games on a hard drive.
PazJohnMitch wrote:
Yep that’s where I am with it. It’s worth it for the backwards compatibility and game pass.
The Series S price has essentially moved me from completely indifference to a genuine interest.
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davidfowles 518 posts
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Registered 2 years agoSo is there information about expanding the memory? Because it’s only a half terabyte drive in there from what I’ve read. I’m curious about whether the SSDs will bring game sizes down due to not having to duplicate data, or whether the next gen graphics will make game sizes explode. At any rate, Half a terabyte seems... low... -
General_Martok 2,490 posts
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Registered 5 years agodavidfowles wrote:
It supports the seagate expandable SSD cards that they use for the X series and it supports USB HDD.
So is there information about expanding the memory? Because it’s only a half terabyte drive in there from what I’ve read. I’m curious about whether the SSDs will bring game sizes down due to not having to duplicate data, or whether the next gen graphics will make game sizes explode. At any rate, Half a terabyte seems... low... -
Phattso 27,426 posts
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With less than 800GB usable on the PS5... get used to that.
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years ago512GB SSD, but I wonder how many of those will be reserved to the system. Remember the 500GB Xbox One actually has 360GB of free space.
Anyway, color me interested. Even without a disc drive, it's also true that most of the BC games I'm interested in are digital anyway. And I don't feel like spending a lot of money on a Series X.
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richardiox 10,097 posts
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Registered 17 years agoZuluHero wrote:
All 4 next gen consoles support USB3 external drives. You can play back compatible current games straight from the drive. Next gen games or patched/enhanced last gen games would need to be on the SSD. You can save space by "parking" next gen games on your USB drive then copy over to SSD to play.
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoOn a side note, we still don't know what kind of ports will be available on the Series S, right?
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Registered 17 years agoOptical is off the table, isn't it? Not sure why they'd support it for one and not the other. -
dfunked09 2,406 posts
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Registered 1 year agoI dread to think how little space will be available on the internal drive after the OS etc reservation is taken away.
Something like COD will literally take up half the drive!
I guarantee they're aiming to claw back a decent amount of revenue with the official external drive.
richardiox wrote:
Have they actually confirmed that you can move stuff to disks that won't support running it? Seems like a handy middle ground if so.
ZuluHero wrote:
All 4 next gen consoles support USB3 external drives. You can play back compatible current games straight from the drive. Next gen games or patched/enhanced last gen games would need to be on the SSD. You can save space by "parking" next gen games on your USB drive then copy over to SSD to play.
As long as they can support external dives, it'll be fine.
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Switch-v85 4,290 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@JamboWayOh Yeah, no disc drive hurts that a little. Fortunately the majority of my BC games are digital, I sold my 360 stuff ages ago and picked up a few games again when they went on sale.
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KD 3,575 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@dfunked09 Thats whats been said, transfer next gen games from external usb to internal drive when needed. Hopefully its a quick and easy process. -
richardiox 10,097 posts
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Registered 17 years agoKD wrote:
I imagine it will be semi automatic eg click to launch a game then get a "transferring to SSD" message before it boots.
@dfunked09 Thats whats been said, transfer next gen games from external usb to internal drive when needed. Hopefully its a quick and easy process. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoMalek86 wrote:
The rear is ethernet, 2x USB, HDMI, power, iirc.
On a side note, we still don't know what kind of ports will be available on the Series S, right?
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoNo optical out hurts. I don't wanna use the optical out from my TV, it's laggy.
The only other option is conecting directly to the receiver, but it's old and only supports HDMI 1.4. It would support 1440p60, but not 4K60. Even if the S only goes up to 1440p, it will be upscaled to 4K, so...
Unless there's a way to output at true 1440p. But I doubt that. It's not a common TV resolution. Also, with 1.4, HDR is out of the question too. This is annoying. A new receiver would be more expensive than a Series X.
I think it's also been confirmed that the PS5 won't have optical out either, so I'm just out of luck...
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Psiloc 6,366 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI just wish ARC worked as advertised -
Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoARC is supported, but very difficult to actually set up. And it's still as laggy as optical out anyway.
How comes I can't just do an optical pass-through anyway, I don't wanna have my TV process the signal in any way, it just needs to send that freaking Dolby Digital 5.1 as is. And weirdly enough, DTS 5.1 is actually less laggy.
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoIn the DF video, they are speculating that, since the S doesn't have enough memory to match the Xbox One X, the backward compatibility games might not support X enhanced mode.
It's just speculation, but it would be good to hear something from Microsoft on the matter.
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Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI’m seeing more and more industry people unhappy about having to support this console from a development POV, and what it means going forward into the generation.
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DakeyrasUK 5,311 posts
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Registered 8 years agoMalek86 wrote:
This is my dilemma. I use optical out from my tv and have the lipsync sorted by use of the receiver audio/pic delay. Not enough for all sources.
No optical out hurts. I don't wanna use the optical out from my TV, it's laggy.
The only other option is conecting directly to the receiver, but it's old and only supports HDMI 1.4. It would support 1440p60, but not 4K60. Even if the S only goes up to 1440p, it will be upscaled to 4K, so...
Unless there's a way to output at true 1440p. But I doubt that. It's not a common TV resolution. Also, with 1.4, HDR is out of the question too. This is annoying. A new receiver would be more expensive than a Series X.
I think it's also been confirmed that the PS5 won't have optical out either, so I'm just out of luck...
Really need a couple of years of no new consoles so i can get a new receiver with 4k60 and hdr pass through!
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Your-Mother 8,172 posts
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Registered 5 years agoNo one should be using ARC or optical anymore. Legacy, hamstrung (in both bandwidth and old DRM limitations) connections. I appreciate upgrading receivers isn’t in everyone’s budget and it’s a big annoyance when compatibility stops, but they really are things that should be phased out and abandoned. -
JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoDerblington wrote:
Oh really? Where's this?
I’m seeing more and more industry people unhappy about having to support this console from a development POV, and what it means going forward into the generation.
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoFor smaller home surround systems there's no real reeason to move into uncompressed audio territory, the difference with regular DTS is minimal unless you have big speakers.
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Facebook. General chatter in threads.
Hopefully it’s just misplaced speculation but it wasn’t something I expected to see at all, let alone from multiple sources all sharing the same frustrations.
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