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The Official 2018 World Cup Thread :( • Page 474
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THFourteen 54,987 posts
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agobeastmaster wrote:
Why?
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beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
The term world class seems to get used a lot. Anyone who's been in a World Cup, European or Champions League final and won it and who is consistently playing at a high level I'd consider to be world class.
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Why?
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THFourteen 54,987 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@beastmaster
It's an incredibly meaningless term.
Anyone who's played at a world cup is technically "world class" -
Kay 21,321 posts
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Registered 17 years agoNo, that is international class! -
beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
I get where you're coming from. Does this include Phil Jones?
@beastmaster
It's an incredibly meaningless term.
Anyone who's played at a world cup is technically "world class".gif)
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMy brothers very stringent definition of world class is 'would get into a world XI (or at a push a world XXIII)'.
If you suggest someone is world class he will, somewhat rainman like, reel off everyone better in that position. -
TheSaint 20,950 posts
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Registered 16 years agonickthegun wrote:
Shame he wasn't at the Lovren press conference.
If you suggest someone is world class he will, somewhat rainman like, reel off everyone better in that position. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI guarantee he would have been shouting 'RAMOS! GODIN!' at the TV
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I think we should steal the NBA version of having 1st, 2nd and 3rd All NBA teams. Do a GK, 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 forwards then we can argue forever about whether or not so and so actually counts as a midfielder or forward and whoever is popular in china will run away with the voting every year.
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fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoI like the cut of Nick's brother's jib -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoNo doubt there's some apostrophe crime in that post somewhere but I like to be fast and loose with punctuation -
Innuendobot_5000 238 posts
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Registered 9 years agoA. NOTORIOUSLY. LOOSE. COLON. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoNO PUN STUFF -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agobeastmaster wrote:
Why?
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
The term world class seems to get used a lot. Anyone who's been in a World Cup, European or Champions League final and won it and who is consistently playing at a high level I'd consider to be world class.
beastmaster wrote:
Why?
Wouldn't you have to have won something significant and be a bit part of doing so to be considered world class?
EDIT: Specifically the winning stuff metric. Why's the so crucial? To Nick's point, you'd be hard pressed to find a better number 9 than Harry Kane in the world. He's almost certainly play in that position in a world XI. But as you say, he hasn't won anything, so you're not considering him world class.
Essentially what you're saying is to be world class you have to play for one of the handful of clubs that dominate domestic football, and/or be Brazilian, French, German or Italian.
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David_Richardson 1,332 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThere is also the consideration that football is a team game, and no single individual can force success if those around him are not good enough. Would we really say that George Best could not be considered world class within his era? The idea that he would have to carry Northern Ireland to international success is not only laughable but also quite insulting.
Harry Kane is world class. How many more times does he have to prove his detractors wrong? He could go to Madrid and bang in 50 a season, and there would still be people insisting he hasn't proved himself until England win a major championship. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoGeorge Best won Miss World countless times -
David_Richardson 1,332 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDon't forget Barbara Windsor. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoDavid_Richardson wrote:
Dude, too soon
Don't forget Barbara Windsor. -
RelaxedMikki 3,214 posts
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Registered 11 years agoDavid_Richardson wrote:
She was fine up front. Worked best as part of a classic partnership with a big man. Liked to go down a bit too easily. Unflappable in and around the box. Got on the end of many a hopeful punt. Was happy if things got a bit rough. Wasn't afraid to get stuck in when up against a hard man... etc etc etc...
Don't forget Barbara Windsor. -
RelaxedMikki 3,214 posts
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Registered 11 years agoOh shit. I forgot she was dead. 😖 -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoShe's not dead, she's got Alzheimer's -
RelaxedMikki 3,214 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSeems like I might have too. Double 😖.
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senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoKane is world class and doesn't need to win an international trophy to prove it, but he needs to win a relevant trophy soon.
Otherwise, scoring 30+ PL goals every season and having no trophy in the cabinet is the same as scoring sub-10 PL goals a season and having no trophies in the cabinet. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoI'll let him know about your requirement -
David_Richardson 1,332 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRelaxedMikki wrote:
For the love of God, stop burying the woman early! This clip should be all they play on the BBC for her obituary.
Oh shit. I forgot she was dead. 😖
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David_Richardson 1,332 posts
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Registered 18 years agosenso-ji wrote:
So you already consider him to be world class but he needs to win a trophy to prove it? In the eyes of whom?
Kane is world class and doesn't need to win an international trophy to prove it, but he needs to win a relevant trophy soon.
Otherwise, scoring 30+ PL goals every season and having no trophy in the cabinet is the same as scoring sub-10 PL goals a season and having no trophies in the cabinet. -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoHow many world class players on anyone's list have won no trophies? -
robc84 15,553 posts
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Registered 9 years agosenso-ji wrote:
Except it's not though is it?
Otherwise, scoring 30+ PL goals every season and having no trophy in the cabinet is the same as scoring sub-10 PL goals a season and having no trophies in the cabinet.
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Gary Lineker won very little, was he world class?
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