Can you automatically reject web cookies?

  • sherpa1984 3 Apr 2021 10:25:56 882 posts
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    Now that we've had a few months of being notified about cookies when loading a website in the EU, I'm getting a bit ratty at the constant "can we send your info to our advertisers?" pop ups.

    Is there any way to automatically reject the pop-up windows, or perhaps to click "accept all" but prevent them from being harvested?
  • dominalien 3 Apr 2021 10:33:00 10,465 posts
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    "A few months"? I wish.

    I open everything in private windows so the cookies don't get saved.

    I also use NoScript where most websites won't even show the cookie popup or the adblock popup for that matter, but it breaks so much stuff I can't really recommend it unless you like pain.
  • Psiloc 3 Apr 2021 10:38:54 6,165 posts
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    Tbf considering that a lot of websites are using the same third party popup thing, you'd think a few browser extensions would be available by now to block them
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 10:39:35 10,145 posts
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    Note that as soon as you accept cookies you're never asked again. It's almost like they want to catch you out.
  • dominalien 3 Apr 2021 10:43:42 10,465 posts
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    Well, that's because it saves a cookie that says you've accepted cookies...
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 10:50:46 10,145 posts
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    Woah... mind blown.
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 10:58:20 10,145 posts
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    So apparently you can just go into settings (on chrome) and go site settings/cookies and choose to block third party or all cookies? Does that stop being asked?
  • dominalien 3 Apr 2021 11:02:41 10,465 posts
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    I'm going to say no.
  • nickthegun 3 Apr 2021 11:04:05 86,367 posts
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    ZuluHero wrote:
    Note that as soon as you accept cookies you're never asked again. It's almost like they want to catch you out.
    Except on this very site
  • mothercruncher 3 Apr 2021 11:10:18 19,214 posts
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    Jesus, don’t be concerned about be hawked out to advertisers whilst simultaneously using Google Chrome, that’s like inviting Kevin Spacey to talk at your naive young actor convention.

    This really annoys me too, and the options to fight it are significantly fewer on any mobile platform.
    I thought about disabling all blocking, visiting all my bookmarks and choosing “yes” in order to get that cookie and then re-enabling all the blockers I could to hopefully disable tracking again, er, would that work?
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 11:19:28 10,145 posts
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    I use duckduckgo?
  • dominalien 3 Apr 2021 11:24:54 10,465 posts
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    ZuluHero wrote:
    I use duckduckgo?
    Ffs, next you'll say you're using Linux or some other commie crap.
  • dominalien 3 Apr 2021 11:26:05 10,465 posts
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    Twas a joke in case someone doesn't realise. DDG is more than fine.
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 11:28:46 10,145 posts
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  • Tomo 3 Apr 2021 11:29:58 19,302 posts
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    https://brave.com/

    Basically Chrome but with privacy focus.
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 11:30:22 10,145 posts
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    Heh, was about to ask that :)
  • Immaterial 3 Apr 2021 12:36:03 2,562 posts
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    Brave + blokada (on mobile, at least). I'm probably still leaking commercially useful information all over the place, but at least those two give me an illusion of control.

    Now, if I could find some way to taint the information that the Googles of this world have about me, I'd be more than happy.

    Edited by Immaterial at 12:37:30 03-04-2021
  • Grumpyoldman72 3 Apr 2021 12:46:29 32 posts
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    @Immaterial It can be done, but it is a major ball ache here is a link to The Hitchhiker's Guide to Online Anonymity https://anonymousplanet.org/guide.html
  • Salaman 3 Apr 2021 13:33:16 24,083 posts
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    I've become quite good at getting rid of them without excepting cookies now.
    It's usually a case of clicking a button to set your preference and then hitting reject all or having a quick look to confirm only strictly necessary cookies are enabled by default and clicking 'save & exit'.

    It's still a pain but I usually manage to get it out of the way in 2 or 3 clicks.

    I see more sites pre-selecting 'legitimate consent' on almost everything. I hate those.

    I just close and back out of US based sites that expect you to manually disable the cookies from 50+ ad networks.
  • sherpa1984 3 Apr 2021 14:16:58 882 posts
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    Grumpyoldman72 wrote:
    @Immaterial It can be done, but it is a major ball ache here is a link to The Hitchhiker's Guide to Online Anonymity https://anonymousplanet.org/guide.html
    Nice one GOM, can’t profess to understand everything there, but having given it a quick read am I right in thinking the following are reasonable systems to protect against cookies and ad tracking:

    1. Use Tor browser
    2. Set up a custom DNS on a pi-hole
    3. Use a VPN

    If so: (1) seems to be a free download, (2) would only be the cost of a raspberry Pi... anyone got any recommendations for (3)? Happy for a paid solution as I understand they’re better.

    Finally, once I set up all the above, would clicking “accept all” to website cookie requests still render them neutered?

    Edited by sherpa1984 at 14:17:13 03-04-2021
  • Dirtbox 3 Apr 2021 15:09:50 92,347 posts
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    None of these things will stop the accept cookies popup.

    It's site specific and there is fuck all you can do about it. Probably the stupidest piece of EU legislation ever.
  • sherpa1984 3 Apr 2021 15:28:23 882 posts
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    I think I’ve made my peace with cookie request pop ups always appearing, I’m hoping there’s always to click “accept all” (which websites love to offer as easy access) but to not actually store them.

    I tried to be smart and allow functional cookies to be stored and reject privacy-harvesting ones, but I think sites have cottoned on and will pester you to allow privacy cookies later even if they have your functional cookie stored (looking at you, EuroGamer).
  • mrharvest 3 Apr 2021 15:37:10 5,713 posts
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    ZuluHero wrote:
    Note that as soon as you accept cookies you're never asked again. It's almost like they want to catch you out.
    Yes, because if you do not allow them to store cookies they cannot store your preference of not having cookies. It's really nothing sinister.
  • askew 3 Apr 2021 15:59:17 23,225 posts
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    ^^ This is why that sort of cookie is considered 'essential', right? Opt-out and have a cookie place to remember your decision: the typical use-case. Not to track you around the internet. Of course, if you block them entirely, then yes, you will have to decline each time.

    Probably the stupidest piece of EU legislation ever.
    While I'm sure there are some problems with the law, isn't the real problem all the twatty organisations trying to find ways around it, and using a variety of dark patterns to trick users into accepting them?

    @sherpa, I think using Tor will be more frustrating for general browinsg then declining the cookies. A Pi-Hole is useful for blocking ads, agree. The VPN might help disguise you among all the other VPN users, but as soon as you log in to a service – boom.

    I've been enjoying Firefox's approach against browser finger-printing.
  • ZuluHero 3 Apr 2021 16:17:13 10,145 posts
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    Yeah, I would have thought that the essential cookie would remember your choice, but some sites still ask you to confirm your choices everytime you visit.
  • askew 3 Apr 2021 16:30:36 23,225 posts
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    Bastards – they've taken it too far :x
  • Dougs 3 Apr 2021 17:11:53 99,066 posts
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    The problem with the law is that it was always going to lead to user click fatigue, with the majority of people just agreeing to whatever. It was the argument the UK made at the time but fell on deaf ears.
  • Dirtbox 3 Apr 2021 18:15:12 92,347 posts
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    Here's a fun little article about it. It's all going to change again, because the sites got it all wrong.

    https://silktide.com/blog/sick-of-cookie-banners-and-popups-theyre-all-changing-again/
  • sherpa1984 3 Apr 2021 18:22:09 882 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Here's a fun little article about it. It's all going to change again, because the sites got it all wrong.

    https://silktide.com/blog/sick-of-cookie-banners-and-popups-theyre-all-changing-again/
    Interesting:

    Many websites block access until a user accepts their cookies. Under the new guidance, this is expressly forbidden. You must provide access to your service without cookies, unless the cookies are technically required for it to function (e.g. for login, or a checkout).

    EG may have to stop blocking images on their site.

    Edited by sherpa1984 at 18:22:23 03-04-2021
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