phAge wrote:ATM I can't recall a single instance of something similar to this happening for the mass market. There's the problem that in cases the mass market stuff is a bit crap comparred to other stuff you an get for the same price (PC's being prime example). But I can't recall a company rehashing old tech with it's own name, upping the price and expecting it to sell. |
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoLutz wrote:
I was being highly sarcastic in a response to what I consider to be a... not very logical... post.
phAge wrote:
ATM I can't recall a single instance of something similar to this happening for the mass market.
If only other companies had thought of that one first, eh?
There's the problem that in cases the mass market stuff is a bit crap comparred to other stuff you an get for the same price (PC's being prime example).
But I can't recall a company rehashing old tech with it's own name, upping the price and expecting it to sell.
Cool said that Apple - by raising their prices - are fooling consumers into believing that they are buying quality goods, when they are in fact (in his mind) buying crap. This is, obviously, utterly retarded - do you thing people would suddenly start buying Yugos by the thousands if the manufacturer doubled the prices?
EDIT: And I'm not talking 'bout the phone here - that is indeed a stinker. My reply was mainly because of Cools thinly veiled attempt at rationalizing his hate towards Apple.
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agophAge wrote:
Aye, hence why I only address that point.
I was being highly sarcastic in a response to what I consider to be a... not very logical... post.
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phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoLutz wrote:
No worries then - I think we agree (that the new phone is 'orrible, but other than that Apple is t3h w1n)...
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agophAge wrote:
Aye phAge.
Lutz wrote:
No worries then - I think we agree (that the new phone is 'orrible, but other than that Apple is t3h w1n)...
Aye, hence why I only address that point.
I wouldn't say Apple is "t3h w1n", but at least their other products are different then their competition's products. So therefore arguably better, depending on PoV
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You're missing the major point that it isn't an Apple phone. Show me the Apple logo on that phone and I'll back down. But it's not an Apple phone, an iPod phone or anything of the sort; it's a phone that runs a customised version of iTunes for integration into the store. That's it.
I wish people would get over the fact that it's simply Apple licensing some tech, not pushing their brand onto anything and everything. It's a Motorola logo on that phone; maybe they're the ones you should be criticising for not pushing the boat out.
But yeah, it is fucking minging.
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Registered 18 years agomouse wrote:
maybe they're the ones you should be criticising for not pushing the boat out.
I can't believe that motorola would think it's a good diea to have a cap. That has to be Apple enforced, right? -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoMouse: Apple presented the phone, hell Steve himself did it. Companies will be flogging this phone on the line of "This is Apples new phone, and they make the awesome iPod".
You know it, I know it, and the companies that are selling this know it.
OK, maybe the only thing on the phone is a customised version of some Apple software, that's the reality, but reality and mass market don't go hand in hand. If they did the only thing dixons would be selling would be kettles and toasters. -
Shinji 5,902 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThe phone mings. It mings mercilessly. But the Nano is possibly the sexiest slice of tech I've ever seen, so they're forgiven -
Pike 13,459 posts
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Registered 18 years agophAge wrote:
Cool said that Apple - by raising their prices - are fooling consumers into believing that they are buying quality goods, when they are in fact (in his mind) buying crap. This is, obviously, utterly retarded - do you thing people would suddenly start buying Yugos by the thousands if the manufacturer doubled the prices?
That is actually a pretty common tactic in marketing. It is not uncommon that raising the prise of a certain product will increase sales, since the higher price implies, for instance, higher quality.
Lutz: I recall that Bang & Olufssen stamped their name on Ericsson mobiles a couple of years ago. Charging higher prices compared to phones with the Ericsson logo. I'm pretty sure that it is also common practise in the white goods market for manufacturers to slap different brandnames on a product and the charge different prices for the different brands. So this is not some unique Apple tactic.
It is a risky tactic though. It could lead to the dillution of a prestigous brand name.
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Registered 17 years agoLutz wrote:
So you admit it's not Apple's fault and that market by other companies is going to be misleading.
Mouse: Apple presented the phone, hell Steve himself did it. Companies will be flogging this phone on the line of "This is Apples new phone, and they make the awesome iPod".
You know it, I know it, and the companies that are selling this know it.
But you're still blaming Apple.
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Registered 18 years agoShinji wrote:
The phone mings. It mings mercilessly. But the Nano is possibly the sexiest slice of tech I've ever seen, so they're forgiven
Seconded!
The PSP has been outsexed. The nano will be the must have gadget this xmas. -
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Registered 18 years agomouse wrote:
God forbid they should indulge in the heinous act of running a business profitably.
Who has claimed otherwise? -
Nobody, I was being sarcastic. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoPike wrote:
It is a known tactic, yes - but to imply that Apple is "ripping off less informed costumers" based on this is just plain wrong. If Apple was selling merely PCs in fancy cases (*cough*Dell*cough*), I'd agree, but Apples products are much more than just stunningly beautiful: they are innovative and functional as well.
That is actually a pretty common tactic in marketing. It is not uncommon that raising the prise of a certain product will increase sales, since the higher price implies, for instancew, higher quality.
Cool implied that Apples products are exactly the same as other computers, and that the name and price are the only attractive features. Edited by phAge at 10:47:48 08-09-2005 -
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Registered 18 years agoLutz, isn't this a bit like blaming microsoft because your Tiny pc doesn't have enough USB ports? -
GrandTheftApu wrote:
Lutz, isn't this a bit like blaming microsoft because your Tiny pc doesn't have enough USB ports?
Put far more succinctly than I ever could have -
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Registered 17 years agoLutz wrote:
phAge wrote:
Aye, hence why I only address that point.
I was being highly sarcastic in a response to what I consider to be a... not very logical... post.
Ah c'mon, I listened to a my mates Creative MP3 player in 1st year of uni (3 years ago) and its sheer quality of sound is far better than my mates iPod. And no its nothing to do with bitrate of MP3s or anything. You can just tell that the sheer quality of sound is on another level.
Build quality, however, is a different issue, and the iPod does feel solid. Its also a very slim design considering what it is, so I suppose thats what you are paying for.
I simply don't think Apple has any excuse with regards to sound quality. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGrandTheftApu wrote:
No, because Tiny don't sell PCs on the basis that it's USB ports that Microsoft have designed.
Lutz, isn't this a bit like blaming microsoft because your Tiny pc doesn't have enough USB ports?
This phone WILL be sold on the basis that Apple have made the music player in it. -
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Registered 18 years agomouse wrote:
Nobody, I was being sarcastic.
I got that. I just didn't get what the comment was directed at. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDerblington wrote:
Apple will be endorsing it, they will be taking a large chunk in royalties, largly for selling people crap dressed up in a suit.
So you admit it's not Apple's fault and that market by other companies is going to be misleading.
But you're still blaming Apple.
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The marketting and the advertising will have their logo on it.
Are they the only ones responsible? No, motorolla are equally to blame.
But Apple will be the predominant driving force in selling this phone.
It won't sell cause it's new, or got a camera, or cos it's a Motorolla, it will be sold cos it's Apple, and Apple will be encourgaing this, they will be encouraging sales of a crap phone for double the going rate.
So yes, I ask Apple WTF are you playing at? For a company who's products are normally different and unique (And arguably better), why the sudden change? -
GrandTheftApu 6,117 posts
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Registered 18 years agoLutz wrote:
GrandTheftApu wrote:
No, because Tiny don't sell PCs on the basis that it's USB ports that Microsoft have designed.
Lutz, isn't this a bit like blaming microsoft because your Tiny pc doesn't have enough USB ports?
This phone WILL be sold on the basis that Apple have made the music player in it.
And Tiny pcs are sold on the basis that they run windows and all the corresponding software and games -
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Registered 18 years agozErOb_cOOl wrote:
Heh - thats odd - pretty much EVERY SINGLE test, performed by trained (and untrained) audiophiles, I've ever seen puts Apple and Creative on about even footing when it comes to sound quality, with differences only being audible in test-chamber conditions.
You can just tell that the sheer quality of sound is on another level.
Build quality, however, is a different issue, and the iPod does feel solid. Its also a very slim design considering what it is, so I suppose thats what you are paying for.
I simply don't think Apple has any excuse with regards to sound quality.
But I s'pose thats not much compaired to a listen on your uni-mates mp3. How foolish all those testers must feel. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGrandTheftApu wrote:
Right, and they are designed to run windows, and corresponding software and games. They can also run other things, like linux etc if you so wish.
And Tiny pcs are sold on the basis that they run windows and all the corresponding software and games
That's got nothing to do with USB ports though.
A PC is sold as "This will run Microsoft products", and in the main, the PC will run current Microsoft products. It'll aslo run other stuff, you're not stuck to MS.
That phone is sold as "This has been designed by the guys at Apple, and they made the iPod, and that was great, therefore this will be great."
Except THAT tech isn't new, nor current. It's 3 years old. At least. And handicapped. And a fugly phone to boot. But it's apple and therefore that's OK. -
zErOb_cOOl 3,237 posts
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Registered 17 years agoLol! Just...Lol! I can only say what I know. I can't be arsed anymore -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agozErOb_cOOl wrote:
Okidokey.
Lol! Just...Lol! I can only say what I know. I can't be arsed anymore -
GrandTheftApu 6,117 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI still don't agree that a software company is responsible for the shortcomings of a piece of hardware that it runs on.
What I do think is stupid is expecting people to buy music tracks using their phone, when they will be paying for the data call as well as the music. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBut the MuVo only has 64 MBs of storage, and... Ah.
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GrandTheftApu wrote:
I still don't agree that a software company is responsible for the shortcomings of a piece of hardware that it runs on.
but the shortcoming of the piece of software? You don't think the cap is hardware impsoed, do you?
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