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GrandTheftApu 6,117 posts
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGrandTheftApu wrote:
That's not what I'm saying.
I still don't agree that a software company is responsible for the shortcomings of a piece of hardware that it runs on.
What I am saying is that this hardware will be sold on the basis of Apples strong brand.
Taking your Tiny PC example yeah? The PC itself is likly shit.
This phone, is likly shit.
The software running on the PC is good, and will run.
The software running on the phone is crap*, but will run.
The PC won't be sold cos it runs Windows. (You don't see adverts saying "Buy this Microsoft product running PC")
This phone will be sold saying it's "the apple phone".
*Edit: Just to clarify, the functionallity of this software is.
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GrandTheftApu 6,117 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBut the common perception of a pc is a computer running windows, that doesn't have to be the case but that is what the public generally think. So yes the computer is sold because it runs windows rather than linux or os x, and because of the large library of windows software, because it is unlikely it is being sold on the strength of its hardware components. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI agree with Lutz. The only thing this phone has going for it is the strong association with the Apple brand. Nothing of Apples legendary design, or their knack for thinking up clever and innovative features has rubbed off on this piece of kit. Motorola and Apple are trying to sell a crap phone on brand-association alone. -
symmetry 508 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWhat he ^^^ said. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agorhythm wrote:
*Smiley malfunction*
phAge wrote:
But the MuVo only has 64 MBs of storage, and... Ah.
Well it had 256MB, integrated with Windows better, was smaller and lighter and the battery lasted longer.
But yeah, I suppose I see your point :-/
The "" wasn't a smug-smiley, but because I thought you were joking in your comparison of the mini and the MuVo. Compairing a flash-player to a HDD one is hardly fair - they both have different uses.
(And I got the 64 megs from Creatives website - didn't know they made 'em larger). -
The thing is Apple have a bit of a problem. Currently they own the MP3/music download market, but its all based around people who own macs/pcs.
The huge advantage of mobile phone MP3 players is that you can download directly to your device, and Apple must know that as time goes by this will seriously damage their ownership of the MP3 market.
Sony really missed a trick with the MP3 market, the walkman brand was way stronger than the ipod brand a few years back, and they easily could have owned MP3s but failed. However, having already established themselves as good handset makers, they are very well positioned to take the phone/MP3 market away from Apple, and Apple doing this deal with Motorolla won't help I don't think.
Odd, as I'd have thought a proper sexy Apple MDA device would have completely kicked everyone's arse. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGrandTheftApu wrote:
But then a phone is also traditionally made for phoning people, not listening to music.
But the common perception of a pc is a computer running windows, that doesn't have to be the case but that is what the public generally think. So yes the computer is sold because it runs windows rather than linux or os x, and because of the large library of windows software, because it is unlikely it is being sold on the strength of its hardware components.
Anyway, what phAge said above..gif)
This phone is doing nothing for the market, it's not new tech, it's not cheaper, and it's being sold on brand association alone.
Bad, bad, bad. Motorola should be shot too, but they're not normally reputed to have the that little extra, that neat twist on things. They're a bog standard, actually, sub standard phone manufacturer trying to survive. Apple have a better reputation than that.
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eviltobz 2,609 posts
Registered 18 years agoyeah steve may have announced the phone at the apple thingy, but then he's had microsoft bods up announcing things and stuff in past events. it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on how involved apple will be in the selling of the product.
looking at the uk apple site, the only linkage i can see for the phone takes you to an itunes download page, (it's different on the u.s. page, but still very obvious that motorola and cingular are involved and it's not a normal apple product) and the 3d views of the phone on the motorola site have no apple branding, so i think that apple's involvement in promoting it may be somewhat overstated here. -
SirScratchalot 7,921 posts
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Registered 16 years agoShinzou wrote:
/tapes nanopod to Nokia phone
Forget the phone its all about the nano!
Edited by Ginger at 10:04:37 08-09-2005 Sort of like the doom duct-tape mod then? (must reference even everyday objects like tape through something game related)
You“ll probably get a lot of interferance with your music when the phone rings though. Or just when it updates it“s position. Might be the only way you can tell someones calling you though. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoeviltobz wrote:
Heh... OK tobz. The reality is that Apple may have very little to do with this phone, but that's not how it's going to be perceived by the mass market.
so i think that apple's involvement in promoting it may be somewhat overstated here. -
eviltobz 2,609 posts
Registered 18 years agomaybe, maybe not. the unveiling isn't really going to effect the mass market opinion. i suppose it kinda depends on the direction they decide to push things in when they get to advertising the phone on tv, in magazines etc. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoHmm... Could it be that Apple might find itself in a situation where it wants the public to think that it (Apple) has as LITTLE to do with this phone as posible? -
Shinzou 887 posts
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Registered 18 years agoeviltobz wrote:
yeah steve may have announced the phone at the apple thingy, but then he's had microsoft bods up announcing things and stuff in past events. it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on how involved apple will be in the selling of the product.
looking at the uk apple site, the only linkage i can see for the phone takes you to an itunes download page, (it's different on the u.s. page, but still very obvious that motorola and cingular are involved and it's not a normal apple product) and the 3d views of the phone on the motorola site have no apple branding, so i think that apple's involvement in promoting it may be somewhat overstated here.
its just a first step. apple obviously doesnt want to make a phone. if it does well other phone manufactures might get interested, leading to more and better itunes phones.
or maybe one day they may make a proper iPhone.
Anyway dont worry about it - no likey no buy!
And can we please mention the nano again. It truly is teh sex. -
eviltobz 2,609 posts
Registered 18 years agommmm, nano.
i'm actually quite tempted to pick up a mini whilst some are still in the shops though. love the plain chrome one. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLutz wrote:
They're releasing tech that has been around for AT LEAST 30 months, capping it stupidly, and asking for double the norm commitment in a tarriff, just cos it's an Apple product...
Hasn't this been standard operating procedure through most of the company's life? -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoeviltobz wrote:
You and I might have to have a word one of these days...
mmmm, nano.
i'm actually quite tempted to pick up a mini whilst some are still in the shops though. love the plain chrome one. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoKhanivor wrote:
And this is supposed to mean?
Lutz wrote:
They're releasing tech that has been around for AT LEAST 30 months, capping it stupidly, and asking for double the norm commitment in a tarriff, just cos it's an Apple product...
Hasn't this been standard operating procedure through most of the company's life? -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoOld tech at twice the price because it's white and got an Apple logo on it. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoSo you think that all Apples products have going for them is the colour and the logo? -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBill-Lumberg wrote:
WTF? Just cos some people are questioning what apple are up to, and you don't agree?
If ever a thread needed locking...
I don't think so... -
Shinzou 887 posts
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Registered 18 years agoKhanivor wrote:
Old tech at twice the price because it's white and got an Apple logo on it.
Indeed could you please point me in the direction of alternate 4 gig flash based mp3 players weighing less then 40 grammes with a colour screen.
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Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoShinzou wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
Old tech at twice the price because it's white and got an Apple logo on it.
Indeed could you please point me in the direction of alternate 4 gig flash based mp3 players weighing less then 40 grammes with a colour screen.
Thanks!
No.
But I could point you to a range of computers that have been selling for a while. Called Macks or something like that.
It's a bit like the 'new' Beetle. A brand name that people want to be assoicated with because it is perceived as being cool. Something they are willing to pay an awful lot of money for, even if it is just a Golf (or SEAT or Skoda, but not Yugos
)with a fancy new case on top and an inflated price tag.
Anyway, this phone is gash. Sure it's not an Apple product, but if anyone thinks a single salesman will not drop the A-word when flogging this thing...
Remember all the rumours about an iPhone, rumours of such interest they were often reported in the mainstream press. Well here it is, even if it's just a crappy Motorola phone runnig iTunes this is for all intents and purposes, an iPhone and will be bought and sold for no other reason then the association with Apple.
Personaly, I reckon it will tank. The mass market who gets an irrational stiffy for iPods will already have made their lifestly epurchase and will in all probablity own a recent phone. Probably a Motorola anyway as that Razor must-have sheep phone is made by them. Hopefuly this will send Apple back towards making innovative products that rely more on being tiny then anything else.
/would not say no to a nano
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phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoKhanivor wrote:
Have you ever actually *used* a Mac for more than the 2 mins it took you to develop an intense dislike for the company that makes 'em?
Something they are willing to pay an awful lot of money for, even if it is just a Golf with a fancy new case on top and an inflated price tag.
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Shinzou 887 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIn reply to Khan:
Of course youre right people do care about status bullshit. I like apples products because of their quality not because everyone else has them.
Equally im not going to cut off my nose to spite my face and not buy them simply because everyone else has one. You cant say apple dont make some special products. Have you seen their widescreen cinema displays for example. Gorgeous.
At least you like the nano
Edited by Shinzou at 12:43:25 08-09-2005 -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoHell yeah. I've had the pleasure to work with one of those huge displays and if I had the cash spare I would snap one up in an instant.
I've used a number of Macs, first one back around '85, the last one about a month ago, a shiny new G5. Now they were fucking crap back then. Things are definetly a lot better although I still do not like the OS very much, although I can see why some people think it is the mutts nuts.
Now hardware, which is what we are talking about, I've never been impressed with anything other then the aesthetics of Macs and frankly, that is all they have been about. How good they look. The software inside is a different matter as we will see when peeps start running Windows on Macs and Mac OS on plain old beige PCs.
My dislike for the company stems from my dislike of anything that promotes style over substance. But I can certainly appreicate the good looks and desing of their cases. Hell, even some of the internal design displays some of the same attention to detail.
But I ain't paying a premium on hardware just so it looks fancy. I can understand it where something like the iPod is concerned because you can whip it out and show everyone how cool you are. With a computer this only works for people who enter your domain. Good for desing compnaies and the like as they can show off to clients their good taste but more baffling for home users. But I can still see the attraction, everyone likes soemthign nice to look at. Just not everyone is willing to pay a hefty price premium, especialy for a machine that is incapable of performing one of the central tasks of a computer, playing games.
Although, seeing as I only play WoW on my PC these days... -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoWhy do people insist on defending polished turds?
Did I say that out loud? -
zErOb_cOOl 3,237 posts
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Registered 17 years agorhythm wrote:
phAge wrote:
But the MuVo only has 64 MBs of storage, and... Ah.
Well it had 256MB, integrated with Windows better, was smaller and lighter and the battery lasted longer.
But yeah, I suppose I see your point :-/
Do you?
See, I leave the thread and go for my lunch, come back, and somebody has already proved my point on the price of Apple products. A £13 MuVo is better than a £97 iPod mini in every department, and has exactly the same sound quality.
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agozErOb_cOOl wrote:
And about 1/16th the storage capability... ?
A £12 MuVo is better than a £97 iPod mini in every department, and has exactly the same sound quality. -
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