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MikeD 14 Sep 2005 10:05:44 10,063 posts
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yahoo isn't going to be happy.

edit: hyoushi, did you have to delete your post? :-)

Edited by MikeD at 10:12:10 14-09-2005

phAge 14 Sep 2005 10:06:39 25,487 posts
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IMHO, the iPod (mini, regular and nano - not U2) look great, sound lovely and have more than enough battery time.

'Tis why I own one.

MikeD 14 Sep 2005 10:08:08 10,063 posts
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yeah, I saw it afterwards. And posted.

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otto wrote:
[code]"What's really been great for us is the iPod has been a chance to apply Apple's incredibly innovative engineering in an area where we don't have a 5%-operating-system-market-share glass ceiling," Jobs says. "And look at what's happened. That same innovation, that same engineering, that same talent applied where we don't run up against the fact that Microsoft got this monopoly, and boom! We have 75% market share."[/code]

From this article.

I find this a very interesting statement. For one thing, after all those years saying "market share doesn't matter," effectively he's saying that it does.

I don't agree. I think he's saying that if you take away MS's monopoly, and make the assumption that innovation is the key to popularity, Apple would kick ass in the OS market like it's sone in the MP3 player market.

/arrives late to the argument

warlockuk 14 Sep 2005 10:22:27 19,519 posts
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Djini wrote:
I don't agree. I think he's saying that if you take away MS's monopoly, and make the assumption that innovation is the key to popularity, Apple would kick ass in the OS market like it's sone in the MP3 player market.

/arrives late to the argument

..but then Apple would have the monopoly. And someone else would have to whine about innovation not having a chance.

Though... if Apple had the monopoly, do you think their prices would drop to something reasonable for their hardware?

Teeth 14 Sep 2005 10:22:57 7,987 posts
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Bill-Lumberg wrote:

andy-w wrote:
But it can do gapless?
My teeth can.

Yeah baby.

MikeD 14 Sep 2005 10:31:06 10,063 posts
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But a Mac mini is sloooooooow.

Too slow for gaming and or video editing anyway. You could add 2 gigabytes of ram and it wouldn't be acceptable.

bloke 14 Sep 2005 10:33:22 1,490 posts
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Big yawn - SJ not comparing apples with apples.

The PC market is a BIG BIG market. Lots of units sold every years - zillions.

The MP3 player market is smaller. Much smaller. So small that MS haven't really bothered.

So talking about percentages is a bit meaningless as the value and size of the two markets is so disperate.

Getting 75% of a teensy market is, really, no big deal in the global scheme of things, although it's a big deal for Apple.

Tony learned a lot about spin from Steve :-)

MikeD 14 Sep 2005 10:33:54 10,063 posts
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phAge wrote:
'Tis why I own one.

remember to keep it down

Milk 14 Sep 2005 10:34:01 2,253 posts
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MikeD wrote:
But a Mac mini is sloooooooow.

Too slow for gaming and or video editing anyway. You could add 2 gigabytes of ram and it wouldn't be acceptable.

What do you want for �350?!

/points in direction of G5's

[maven] 14 Sep 2005 10:34:28 5,799 posts
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MikeD wrote:
But a Mac mini is sloooooooow.

Too slow for gaming and or video editing anyway. You could add 2 gigabytes of ram and it wouldn't be acceptable.

You can't. 1gb Max (single low-profile DDR-Ram module). But I disagree it feels slow (but then I am not gaming or video editing

).

warlockuk 14 Sep 2005 10:47:46 19,519 posts
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Bill-Lumberg wrote:
But �359 for a Mac mini complete with OS X and a whole suite of top quality applications doesn't seem expensive to me.

It's still a lot for what it *basically* is...
But look at G5 prices or just prices of machines that can actually be *used* for stuff

sam_spade 14 Sep 2005 10:57:41 15,745 posts
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I think the key is to raise the profile in the business market for general desk workers. If Apple can do that, then people who use it will shift over at home.

Khanivor 14 Sep 2005 11:06:43 44,800 posts
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Can't see many compnaues wanting to put on the extra outlay that is buying Apple. It's justifiable in certain sectors but for the lgeions of office workers who need their computers for the most rudimentary of tasks splurging on Apple products, not to mention the relative paucity of support companies for the platform, just isn't viable.

And can you imagine how much they would charge if they were the dominant force in the market? And how much of their appeal they would also lose by being the market leader?

GrandTheftApu 14 Sep 2005 11:13:30 6,117 posts
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And just imagine how many first line pc support bods would be laid off

MikeD 14 Sep 2005 11:16:24 10,063 posts
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GrandTheftApu wrote:
And just imagine how many first line pc support bods would be laid off

None. I'd imagine they have to hire some more.

Any change in how they do things on the computah machien sends workers into a huge panic/fury.

Khanivor 14 Sep 2005 11:18:33 44,800 posts
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Lemme guess. Because they never ever break down nor crash so he has nothing to do all day?

Khanivor 14 Sep 2005 11:31:05 44,800 posts
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Besides, if Apple really wanted a better share of the market then they should have adopted a business model which would have made this even a remote possibility. Their currnet market share is almost completely their own work. The Jobless years didn't help them any either.

otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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[code]"What's really been great for us is the iPod has been a chance to apply Apple's incredibly innovative engineering in an area where we don't have a 5%-operating-system-market-share glass ceiling," Jobs says. "And look at what's happened. That same innovation, that same engineering, that same talent applied where we don't run up against the fact that Microsoft got this monopoly, and boom! We have 75% market share."[/code]

From this article.

I find this a very interesting statement. For one thing, after all those years saying "market share doesn't matter," effectively he's saying that it does. Another thing, do you think this is evidence that he's beginning to focus the company on the music business at the expense of the PC business? Or is he perhaps talking about trying to bust that monopoly? Or what?

Just interested in how people read that. Haterz begone, let's have an interesting industry discussion full of wild surmise.

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