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ccfb 24 Sep 2005 23:30:43 337 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
Can't find myself getting too excited about PDZ... Microsoft would be giving it more hype if Microsoft had more confidence in it.

Plenty of screenshots, write-ups and other articles out there, BGIE.
Why do you think MS aren't cranking up the marketting machine?

Freek 24 Sep 2005 23:33:37 7,682 posts
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Plenty? A few scans, no trailers, little details apart from a few multiplayer things. And people that have seen it are saying that it's far from ready and will probably not make launch day.
Probaly why there's fairly little media and details released, it's going to be delayed, they're just not telling anybody yet for fear of negative press.

ccfb 24 Sep 2005 23:37:30 337 posts
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Could it be then, that MS feel they don't need to play the usual martketting game with PD0 - that they feel the name almost hypes the game without the things you mentioned?

I'm just theorising here...

silentbob 24 Sep 2005 23:39:25 29,527 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
Can't find myself getting too excited about PDZ... Microsoft would be giving it more hype if Microsoft had more confidence in it. And I don't consider it "rushed" as we all know Rare never rushes itself. PDZ is more "leisured" than "rushed".

No. We know that Rare 'used' never to rush itself. They are not setup as before. They are 2nd party now, plus - how many of the original team are even with Rare?

I don't see Rare as much more than a logo and a collection of potentially lucrative intellectual property.

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 24 Sep 2005 23:42:45 8,934 posts
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before PDZ was ever talked about at E3, Microsoft was hyping the game as the "killer app" for the Xbox 360 launch. then a few crappy screens got released, and Microsoft pulled an E3 showing for the game and didn't really talk about it. I would have expected MSoft would have hit back with better screens, and they did to a small extent, but the game still looks a bit awkward.

That and I've got the U.S. Official Xbox Magazine which has a write up and nice scans of PDZ... but the editor seems to be making a controlled effort not to over-hype the game. It's subtle, but it's there. The magazine actually has a subtitle for Madden 2006 that says "Say hello to the killer app".

Which the mags right, Madden 2006 for the U.S. is an incredibly huge game for this market. But there does seem to be some conscious effort on Microsoft's part to deflate the importance of Perfect Dark Zero to the 360. Which may or may not be representative of the games actual quality.

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 24 Sep 2005 23:44:47 8,934 posts
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Actually Rare is a first party developer: it is 100% owned by Microsoft. Rare IS Microsoft, just like Bungie.

The designations "Rare" and "Bungie" are kept to designate that specific team within the Microsoft organization, but it's 100% pure grade Microsoft.

ccfb 24 Sep 2005 23:45:44 337 posts
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Yes, it may not. Perception rUlz00rzs.

Personally speaking, I think it looks great and I have no problem believing it will move and play every bit as good as any other "next-gen" game out, and the lack of video-evidence or half-brained editorials in Official magazine tells me nothing.

Colour me optimistic

Edited by ccfb at 23:48:12 24-09-2005

Freek 24 Sep 2005 23:46:08 7,682 posts
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And if there ever was a game in need of some hype it's PD0 with the meh-ish "is that it?" reports from the press who saw multiplayer footage and gamers being uncertain of Rare ability to deliver. It realy needs some info and a stuning trailer.

Edited by Freek at 00:31:37 25-09-2005

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 25 Sep 2005 00:26:43 8,934 posts
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ccfb, I'm not trying to be pessimistic or optimistic: I'm just taking information in as I get it. I don't want to let myself get overexcited, especially when there is so much uncertainty. If the game is good, I'm buying it-- but I don't want to convince myself it'll be good and find out that it's not. And apparently, Microsoft doesn't want to do that to gamers either.

Hence the uncertainty.

templar-wizard 25 Sep 2005 07:27:53 3,153 posts
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hmmm, im seeing some interesting words in this thread> excited, next-gen, killer app...

im slightly confused by them.

i dont understand why people (not just in this thread) continue to use 'next-gen' as though there SHOULD be a paradigm shift immediately. there wont be.

next-gen means next generation hardware, which is actually VERY close, approx 7-8 weeks, nearly this generation in actual fact.
the initial differences between games will be like playing a game like FEAR in 640x320 with no AA and no particles to high res and full effects. thats really it.

we will not see 'next gen' games for another 2-3 years.
what was the time difference between MGS and MGS3?

regarding excited Bill covered it well here:

I don't want to let myself get overexcited, especially when there is so much uncertainty. If the game is good, I'm buying it.

no one should be getting excited by launch titles. if it turns out to be surprisingly good, like Halo, then we will all be happy, but i think we should brace for impact anyways...

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 25 Sep 2005 08:50:19 8,934 posts
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i think people characterize "next-gen" graphics as being these huge leaps, when in fact as templar said is actually very close to the previous generation at least the beginning.

the only huge obvious leap we've experienced is going from 2d to 3d. other than that, it's been fairly predictable. NES to SNES wasn't a life-altering jump, nor will PS2 to PS3 be..

just don't get yourself excited to the point where you're doomed to disappointment is my point.

matrim83 25 Sep 2005 08:55:02 5,713 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
i think people characterize "next-gen" graphics as being these huge leaps, when in fact as templar said is actually very close to the previous generation at least the beginning.

the only huge obvious leap we've experienced is going from 2d to 3d. other than that, it's been fairly predictable. NES to SNES wasn't a life-altering jump, nor will PS2 to PS3 be..

just don't get yourself excited to the point where you're doomed to disappointment is my point.

Right! The main leaps are B&W to color and offline to online. Actually the new handhelds are closer to being actual next gen since they have made a huge jump in graphics and gameplay.

Still I cant wait fot the 360 and the PS3. Getting both on launch.

\ Is a sucker.

StixxUK 25 Sep 2005 10:01:56 8,755 posts
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So to sum up, it looks a lot better than it did, but Rare ain't what they used to be and we're all a bit sceptical on how good it'll really be when it comes out.

/unexcited

Xerx3s 25 Sep 2005 18:03:23 23,970 posts
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Halleluja! Im a believer again! ^_^

For a while i was kind of worried wether they would be able to keep up rare's high standard, but now im sure

Baronen 25 Sep 2005 18:06:48 579 posts
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"Rare's high standard"? May I interest you in a piece of Conker: Live & Reloaded? No? Didn't think so.

StixxUK: Agree'd.

silentbob 25 Sep 2005 18:09:51 29,527 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
Actually Rare is a first party developer: it is 100% owned by Microsoft. Rare IS Microsoft, just like Bungie.

The designations "Rare" and "Bungie" are kept to designate that specific team within the Microsoft organization, but it's 100% pure grade Microsoft.

This strenghthens my point above.

StixxUK 25 Sep 2005 18:28:48 8,755 posts
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On the plus side, Bungie are still great

Retroid Moderator 25 Sep 2005 18:50:49 45,464 posts
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Baronen wrote:
"Rare's high standard"? May I interest you in a piece of Conker: Live & Reloaded? No? Didn't think so.

Conker is a good game, just a bit strange to refit a five year old game. The demo they released was a terrible choice though, no denying that.

My local Game were giving out free Conker "Pre-order bunus" DVDs last time I was in there. It obviously hasn't sold that well, has it?

Xerx3s 25 Sep 2005 20:53:31 23,970 posts
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""Rare's high standard"? May I interest you in a piece of Conker: Live & Reloaded? No? Didn't think so." - I was refering to the nintendo days of rare. Grabbed by the goulies and conker never really had a chance. Kameo and PD0 are rares last chance to redeem themselves imo.

quedex 25 Sep 2005 21:09:54 3,135 posts
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Rare's "high standard" left to form Free Radical.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a fully paid up member of the "want to believe PD0 will be great" club, but am mighty suspicious about the way MS is down playing it. Seeing how every one seems to list this and PGR3 as their key launch games, you'd expect them to be pimping it like there was no tomorrow. But they're not.
And the fact that they're still trying to rush out PD0 before Christmas seems to hint that they don't think a few more months dev time is going to improve the state of things much either.
Ho hum.

Baronen 25 Sep 2005 21:12:36 579 posts
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Retroid: I don't want to start a discussion here, so let's just agree to disagree right from the start.

Xerx3s: Ah, well, then we're on the same page.

Deleted user 25 September 2005 22:30:38

Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
i think people characterize "next-gen" graphics as being these huge leaps, when in fact as templar said is actually very close to the previous generation at least the beginning.

the only huge obvious leap we've experienced is going from 2d to 3d. other than that, it's been fairly predictable. NES to SNES wasn't a life-altering jump, nor will PS2 to PS3 be..

just don't get yourself excited to the point where you're doomed to disappointment is my point.

I think this is entirely the problem with the next generation though; if there's no clear advantage to upgrading, then what's the point? Although this was definitely a problem with the last generation, it seems even worse here.

Obviously visual quality will improve as developers become more familiar with the hardware. But consumers have a valid right to not bother upgrading if there isn't a marked improvement in the quality or diversity of the gaming experiences they're getting. The NES to SNES comparison is an interesting one but I wonder how similar that really is given how different the market is today.

Don't get me wrong - I want to see the next gen consoles do well (I work at a development studio so it's kinda in my interests!), but it's a real concern that if consumers don't see enough of a difference between next gen and current gen consoles, then they might not bother upgrading. From a gamers point of view, the only console that has me interested is the Revolution, as I see that as being the only next gen console with a next gen interface, but that's another debate entirely...

IronGiant 26 Sep 2005 02:46:13 6,352 posts
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Pirotic wrote:
Don't party just yet. They have a big old testing room and word is it's extremely unfinished, and getting cut out left right and centre to make release.

can't confirm if this is true - but my old friend and source of all things rareware said they're greying out certain gameplay types/options which will then be put in via xbox live update 5/6 months post release.

Either way, so long as its an average shooter with next gen graphics i'm sure it'll get lapped up on release date, xbox live alone is enough to make an otherwise average game so much more fun (take PGR2 for instance).

Free Radical Design have a 360 project in the works at the moment which i'm more interested in, but again - come release day some of us are going to be shafted into buying a few average games by the look of it, else just sit around looking at the blades on the dashboard for a few months.

Edited by Pirotic at 20:20:34 24-09-2005

Exactly why i'm no longer an early adopter with any console.. i even waited before getting my PSP!

Rare lost me a long time ago.. nothing they've done in the last few years has excited me at all. I'm coming round to thinking that the Revolution will end up with the best launch titles and i know nothing about them yet

MikeD 26 Sep 2005 06:22:53 10,063 posts
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IronGiant wrote:
I'm coming round to thinking that the Revolution will end up with the best launch titles and i know nothing about them yet

Surely if developers need more time to get the best games out of a new piece of hardware it would be doubly true about new hadware and a new control method.

templar-wizard 26 Sep 2005 07:22:44 3,153 posts
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some videos

good and bad and 'interesting'

in some cases it looks like riddick with even more effects.

templar-wizard 26 Sep 2005 07:43:03 3,153 posts
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fake tits a go go

why oh why

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templar wizard wrote: why oh why

You mean "why oh why use a flash when photographing a glossy piece of paper?" right?

templar-wizard 26 Sep 2005 08:33:26 3,153 posts
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i mean those silicon silicone balls val Ü

but yes, -10 for flash.

i quite like the quick change 3rd person camera in the vids. those levels look quite big and well detailed. the guns seem meaty.
the ragdolls are overdone but tbh i dont really care, IO had flying bodies too and no one really cried.

roll on launch.

templar-wizard 26 Sep 2005 09:56:10 3,153 posts
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she moves TOO quickly? jeez, no one will ever be happy. i happen to think that it seems to be perfect.

speed = ability to take on several opponents at once.

i see the AI is stand and soak, but as you can see from the blue arrows the guy was playing on easy. hopefully they will be more active on real difficulty levels.

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