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Syrette 16 Oct 2005 21:34:07 51,181 posts
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k.o.t.i wrote:

foreverafternothing wrote:
what do you hate koti?

rude people, there's no excuse for it.

i completely agree.

MikeD 16 Oct 2005 21:38:19 10,063 posts
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Did Pullman write any children's books?

Edited by MikeD at 21:41:04 16-10-2005

The-Old-Bill 16 Oct 2005 21:38:47 5,101 posts
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Theoretically these were.

MikeD 16 Oct 2005 21:40:44 10,063 posts
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I have not read His Dark Materials.

From people I was under the impression that they were adult fantasy.

Thank you for your 3 question marks of incredulity, otto. I'll cherish them.

edit: No longer confused. Still cherishing it.

Edited by MikeD at 21:54:43 16-10-2005

Deleted user 16 October 2005 21:41:50

Link to the story

The-Old-Bill 16 Oct 2005 21:42:21 5,101 posts
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I swear he means you mike, but I'm not sure

The-Old-Bill 16 Oct 2005 21:55:24 5,101 posts
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JC2 wrote:
So DG says, "it's only my opinion" which I think is actually pretty stupid. Obviously you think someone is an idiot based on their opinions, I don't see how this changes anything

No, you base your assumption on whether a person says and does in general, not in one paticular instance.

Syrette 16 Oct 2005 21:56:03 51,181 posts
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oh dear.

The-Old-Bill 16 Oct 2005 22:16:25 5,101 posts
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tengu wrote:

That's a smile, not a laugh n00b!

Edited by The Old Bill at 22:18:41 16-10-2005

MikeD 16 Oct 2005 22:16:52 10,063 posts
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tengu wrote:
This thread is funny. See me laugh:

I was always under the impression that this was an open mouth smile. Showing your teeth. On the contrary to the closed smile, for people with braces.

edit: bill beats me to it. :-)

Edited by MikeD at 22:19:16 16-10-2005

The-Old-Bill 16 Oct 2005 22:19:03 5,101 posts
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MikeD wrote:
edit: bill beats me to it.

Mine was much nicer too

Edit-KOTI's a Kraut!

Edited by The Old Bill at 22:21:30 16-10-2005

mentat 16 Oct 2005 22:32:05 5,613 posts
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Christ on a bike JC, do you ever think before you post?

I suggest you delete the IM post, because i doubt you had permission to post it.

If you don't, I will...

MikeD 16 Oct 2005 22:34:00 10,063 posts
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I didn't see koti complaining mentat.

If you are really in a deleting mood why not remove the whole mindless conversation. :-)

mentat 16 Oct 2005 22:38:47 5,613 posts
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JC2 wrote:

I did ask for permission and what's wrong with it anyway?

The same thing as the rest of the stuff that you post?

mentat 16 Oct 2005 22:39:16 5,613 posts
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k.o.t.i wrote:
JC asked if he could post it and I have no problem with it.

Fair dos.

Deleted user 16 October 2005 22:41:29

wow just read this thread...some ppl are real cocks.

Edited by EvilGenius at 22:43:53 16-10-2005

Monsta 16 Oct 2005 22:46:47 1,276 posts
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Sooooooo Pullman hates Lewis and Narnia.

I've never read any of Pullmans books but i quite enjoyed the Narnia series when i was younger

/did you notice what i did there

/its not going to work as an attempt to get thsi discussion back on track but it thought i was a worthwhile effort

The-Old-Bill 16 Oct 2005 22:49:28 5,101 posts
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k.o.t.i wrote:
I don't see the biggy, two people had a disagreement and one of 'em didn't articulate as well as they could (Bear in mind he's only 16)

So's Deathgibbon.

UncleLou Moderator 16 Oct 2005 23:05:37 40,723 posts
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Let me try to get this back on track, at least a little - I'd be interested why deathgibbon thinks Pullman is crap. If possible, without spoilers please, as I haven't read it yet. (the first book lying beside my bed though for ages now).

sam_spade 16 Oct 2005 23:10:33 15,745 posts
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JC2 wrote:
Age has nothing to do with it.

Says the young 'un.

Hey, UncleLou you could bump my thread. It's unsoiled.

UncleLou Moderator 16 Oct 2005 23:13:02 40,723 posts
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Hey sam, did you start reading A Clash of Kings yet?

You haven't responded to my mail, that's normally my privilege!

I'll look for this thread you mentioned...

Deleted user 16 October 2005 23:18:46

When the hell did people start having opinions?? STOP IT NOW!

Deleted user 16 October 2005 23:27:31

Indeed, if you post any of your opinions on something in this forum then you've created a flame war.

Daryoon 16 Oct 2005 23:32:27 5,912 posts
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It was Pullman's rather ... I can't think of the word ... his opinion of religion/Christianity that ruined his books. I'm going to have to read the Narnias sometime, but when it comes to blatent religious trolling, you can't get much worse than Amber Spyglass.

He should've kept things the way they were in Northen Lights. It was a shame to see such a good book descend into one man's comically over-the-top hatred of organised religion.

[u]IMO[/u]

Retroid Moderator 16 Oct 2005 23:35:33 45,464 posts
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Furbs wrote:
Yeah but its all in the delivery man...

BAN THIS SICK FILTH!

ScoutTech 16 Oct 2005 23:40:29 2,428 posts
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Wow, well shows what I know, would never have expected the thread to have gone that way or this long.

Anyways, yeah I agree he is totally anti-christian so why not just say that "I don't like the books because they have Christian undertones." Not "Ohh the bad man writes bad things hidden that everyone won't like."

I have read his books and couldn't believe they were kids books. I found all of them pretty hard going, but slogged through all but the last half of the third one. First one I thought had some good ideas and was an interesting concept but it just got piled more on as the second and third one went on. In the end his pure anti seemed to ooze from the pages. At least good old Lewis wasn't too in ya face about it. Well IMO, if its Ok, thank you guv'nor.

ProfessorLesser 16 Oct 2005 23:44:22 19,693 posts
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Daryoon wrote:
It was Pullman's rather ... I can't think of the word ... his opinion of religion/Christianity that ruined his books. I'm going to have to read the Narnias sometime, but when it comes to blatent religious trolling, you can't get much worse than Amber Spyglass.
He should've kept things the way they were in Northen Lights. It was a shame to see such a good book descend into one man's comically over-the-top hatred of organised religion.

Heh, this thread is a gem. JC2, you could publish, man.

+1 to Daryoon, by the way. Northern Lights was only slightly shy of quality, but the second two were total, total dross. And I'm an atheist.

Harking back to whatever either Gremmi or Gretters (I forget which) said, I am getting seriously pissed off at the need to explicitly state that something is 'imo' around here.

Lighten the fuck up, people.

/Burns Dawn of Sorrow comments

Shinji 16 Oct 2005 23:53:22 5,902 posts
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Odd. Pullman normally makes sense when he talks, but it's certainly a weird outburst against Narnia.

Sticking my colours to the mast, I absolutely loved His Dark Materials - I found them utterly compelling reading - but while I liked Narnia as a kid, re-reading the Narnia books more recently showed them up as pretty juvenile and amateurish in their plotting and prose, in my opinion. Especially towards the end; the final book in the cycle is downright awful in its desperate attempt to shoe-horn clumsy Christian iconography onto the whole series. The Christian metaphor I have no problem with (despite being an athiest), but the way it suddenly goes overtly Christian feels really artificial.

I can see why someone would have a problem with Narnia on a literary level, then, but I don't really see where Pullman is coming from with the other stuff he's on about. He is, to my mind, a much finer author than CS Lewis; such an attack is a very, very odd thing for him to come out with.

Deleted user 17 October 2005 00:54:26

otto wrote:

Daryoon wrote:
It was Pullman's rather ... I can't think of the word ... his opinion of religion/Christianity that ruined his books. I'm going to have to read the Narnias sometime, but when it comes to blatent religious trolling, you can't get much worse than Amber Spyglass.

He should've kept things the way they were in Northen Lights. It was a shame to see such a good book descend into one man's comically over-the-top hatred of organised religion.

[u]IMO[/u]
Post of the thread.

[u]IMO[/u]

You're an idiot.

Deleted user 17 October 2005 00:59:39

Or is that dickhead? can't keep up.

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