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More money down the pan "CCTV that instantly spots suspicious behaviour is among new technology being tested to boost security on the UK rail network, Alistair Darling has said. " "Mr Darling said that various new systems which could help identify potential suicide bombers were being tested on the rail and underground networks. They include sophisticated new "intelligence vision" CCTV technology which automatically spots suspicious behaviour. " if (skin tone not != white ) { printf("terrorist"); } .gif) Love to know how much money world governments waste on testing tech that does not work - and then fucking up the implementation of the stuff that does. They might as well just have someone watching the CCTV properly instead. Edited by ssuellid at 14:52:24 14-11-2005 |
CCTV that instantly spots suspicious behaviour to be tested on rail network
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ssuellid 19,142 posts
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pjmaybe 70,666 posts
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Registered 20 years agoSo that's the rail network also "big brothered" along with the roads.
Hmmm...anything on cycle paths yet?
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smoothpete 37,743 posts
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Registered 17 years agopjmaybe wrote:
Something like neck height razor sharp barbed-wire for cyclists who fail to stop at red lights?
So that's the rail network also "big brothered" along with the roads.
Hmmm...anything on cycle paths yet?
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pjmaybe wrote:
So that's the rail network also "big brothered" along with the roads.
Hmmm...anything on cycle paths yet?
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pjmaybe wrote:
So that's the rail network also "big brothered" along with the roads.
Hmmm...anything on cycle paths yet?
Cyclists are already on a 'watch list' I think!
I think they need red light cams and pavement cams in Oxford, aside from that they can leave us cyclists alone...!
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smoothpete 37,743 posts
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Cyclists = hippies
Hippies = activists
Activists = terrorists
So you're fucked basically. Same goes for people that take public transport. They must be tree-hugging hippy bastards
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Spin_Dr_Wolf 6,170 posts
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Registered 18 years agoHow in bejesus does it work though ? Does it pick up though waves ? I mean really fucks sake.
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Salaman 24,162 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI remember seeing something like this being worked on at least 2 years ago.
It wasn't to spot "terrorists" but the CCTV footage would be analysed for certain patterns that indicate trouble.
For example, if two people on the platform would start squaring each other up and pushing and shoving then escalated to a fist fight, the computer would pick up on this (it is a very distinct pattern) and flag it so whoever is operating the CCTV thingies would be alerted right away and could notify someone to go deal with it.
I suspect this works on the same principle?
What "patterns" the cpmputer would be looking for to pick up on this "suspicious behaviour" beats me though.
Surely people with a backpack full of explosives just enter the place, wait for the train and then board it just like everything else?
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Registered 20 years agoIf you're looking for people who are acting in an agitated or upset fashion on the UK rail network, you don't have to look far. We call them "commuters". -
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Registered 20 years agoThe problem with this stuff is that nobody has cracked real time recognition in real situations. The trials of the face recognition systems in the states showed this - they had problems just distinguishing faces from the background. -
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Registered 20 years agoShinji wrote:
That's obviously how this will work. Anyone who looks remotely happy will be flagged for human attention and if they're not determined to be a tourist expect the armed police to be on the way.
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Registered 20 years agoShinji wrote:
If you're looking for people who are acting in an agitated or upset fashion on the UK rail network, you don't have to look far. We call them "commuters".
I think the Register summed it up perfectly.
Shifty expression
Looking dodgy
Dressed in black
Hoodie / black jeans / combat boots
Rucksack
= IT Geek on public transport.
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Registered 18 years agoWhat'll happen is that the CCTV/software will instantly spot suspicious behaviour, and when somebody comes in the next morning they'll be able to give the grainy footage to the police/news crews who will say 'Here are the pictures of the person that blew a train up 12 hours ago.'
You can film people all you like, but unless there are people able to react instantly to actually prevent something happening, you might as well not bother.
Reminds me of the thing about 'adopting the crash position' i.e. head between the knees, in the event of a plane crash. According to legend, they don't expect anybody to survive a plane crash but by assuming the position, it helps to preserve dental records so they can identify the bodies. -
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Reminds me of the thing about 'adopting the crash position' i.e. head between the knees, in the event of a plane crash. According to legend, they don't expect anybody to survive a plane crash but by assuming the position, it helps to preserve dental records so they can identify the bodies.
If they thought there was a chance then the seats would be around the other way to start off with. ie everyone except the pilots sits facing the back.
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pjmaybe 70,666 posts
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boo wrote:
Reminds me of the thing about 'adopting the crash position' i.e. head between the knees, in the event of a plane crash. According to legend, they don't expect anybody to survive a plane crash but by assuming the position, it helps to preserve dental records so they can identify the bodies.
If they thought they was a chance then the seats would be around the other way to start off with. ie everyone except the pilots sits facing the back.
Har the missus would never fly again. I've seen her pick fights with people on buses if the only remaining seat is a backwards-facing one. She HATES travelling that way for some reason.
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She HATES travelling that way for some reason.
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Registered 20 years agoHmmm.
I always have to bag the window seat on the plane as well, she hates seeing the takeoff/landing. Me I love it! Best bit of the flight (unless there are crosswinds, eeeeesh!)
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It's even better with cross winds!
Me I love it! Best bit of the flight (unless there are crosswinds, eeeeesh!)
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Registered 18 years agopjmaybe wrote: She HATES travelling that way for some reason.
Peej
She'd never work for Spectrum then...
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ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoFurbs wrote:
Is rear facing that much safer? Never really thought about it that much, but would wouldnt you bounce whichever direction you were facing at some point anyway?
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Registered 20 years agoRear facing means in forced deceleration (a common major component of a lot of traffic accidents) you get cushioned by the seat along your spine (even if your legs do have a go at pushing your rear through the chair). T'other way round and even with a 3 point seat-belt you're looking at plenty of nasty forces without anything cushioning them, especially on your fragile neck (which an airbag tries to cure and isn't that bad at saving unless you don't wear the seat-belt) -
pjmaybe 70,666 posts
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pjmaybe wrote: She HATES travelling that way for some reason.
Peej
She'd never work for Spectrum then...
Anybody?
Anybody?
LOL!!!!!!
"Sorry love, you failed the interview for the new Captain Blue position because you puked all over the SPV!"
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Registered 17 years agossuellid wrote:
Reminds me of this
Furbs wrote:
Is rear facing that much safer? Never really thought about it that much, but would wouldnt you bounce whichever direction you were facing at some point anyway?
You wouldn't be chopped in half by your seatbelt when the plane hits the ground.
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I for one welcome our new 1984 overlords
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Registered 17 years agoLaundroMat wrote:
That's for real? Wow. Man, I've got to steal one of those posters
I feel secure beneath the watchful eyes.
edit - oh. 2002. Looks like getting one may be harder than I thought
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Registered 20 years agopete, here's an other one for you: [link=http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg">Watch, ride and REPORT. (More info on it -
ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoFollow up story
"At the conference, UK Transport Secretary Alistair Darling talked about exciting new technologies such as a "millimetre wave scanner" - being trialled on the Heathrow Express next year.
He also pointed to trials of "intelligence vision systems" - enhanced CCTV which can automatically spot suspicious behaviour such as someone leaving a package.
But most experts at the conference felt that wide use of such technology on the transport system was extremely unlikely in the foreseeable future.
In trials of the enhanced CCTV system, for example, London Tube staff could identify abnormal behaviour more quickly than the software. The kit also had a tendency to raise false alarms.
Alain Caire, director of security at RATP (the Paris region transport authority), also cited problems with facial recognition technology, which compares people's faces with, for instance, those of suspects wanted by police.
"A few years ago, it took 10 or 15 seconds to compare a face. Now it takes three," he said. "But if you are comparing that face with, say, 20 terrorists' faces, that's 100 seconds, so it becomes impossible."
European Commission security expert Marjeta Jager said aviation-style security was not viable on public transport systems, given that they had to be "open, economic and accessible".
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LaundroMat wrote:
pete, here's an other one for you: [link=http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg">Watch, ride and REPORT. (More info on it
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