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I truely am sorry that I stepped over the boundary and broke a rule set by the forum of this website and I hope Otto can forgive me for posting the name of a site that condones piracy which was mistaken for a "link" Good on ye mate. I would also like to mention that atleast where I come from we have this thing called freedom of speech that is referred to as a "Civil right" I don't know if you are familiar with such things but they really are nice to have. I do understand also that by posting in this forum that I am being given a right to speak here that can be taken away if I do not follow protocol. However, I am all for freedom of speech in my country and also on the internet. Having said that, if some one would be so kind to point me in the direction of a list of the fore mentioned rules, I will happily read and comply with these rules. On a side note, If you had actually taken the time to read some of my other threads, you would know that the reason I am talking so much about piracy is because I happen to be praring an argumentitive speech on this subject. No hard feelings. Flint Cheeseman |
The man locked my thread!
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flintcheeseman 30 posts
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MetalDog 24,076 posts
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Registered 20 years ago/lends Flint a stepladder
Looks like you need a hand getting over yourself, there
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mentat 5,613 posts
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Registered 20 years agoSorry, who said freedom of speech applies on this forum?
/readys mod stick
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Xerx3s 23,970 posts
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Registered 17 years agomentat wrote:
Sorry, who said freedom of speech applies on this forum?
/readys mod stick
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BartonFink 35,268 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThat's actually a very good point Hyoshi brought up where are the forum rules gone? -
Mike_Hunt 23,524 posts
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Registered 19 years agoHyoushi wrote:
This self owning... is it a bit like strangle-wanking?
The man raises an interesting point. The forum ToS page seems to have vanished after the redesign, so there was no way for mr. Cheeseman to know the rules if he joined after the redesign. Which seems likely looking at his UID.
So, gentlemen otto and mentat, you just owned yourselves again. I salute you.
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marilena 8,238 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIt's true that the rules are gone, but it's also true that this forum was never governed by rules, it was always governed by common sense. And when that failed, it was governed by huge sessions of bitching and whining, which this thread will turn into in no more than two hours.
For what it's worth, I think Otto's decision was quite reasonable. And I also appreciate the fact that he consistently posts explanations before closing a thread, which some of the other moderators fail to do at times. -
Some rules are a matter of course and really don't need to be spelled out, but of course there'll alaways be people who complain that they smell because there was no "wipe your bottom" sign in the bathroom.
That said, I didn't see flint's thread in question, so take it as a general remark. -
BartonFink 35,268 posts
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Registered 20 years agomarilena wrote:
Nope there was at one time rules that laid out quite clearly that linking to sites promoting piracy would be locked/deleted. In general though the place is self moderating (not so much anymore though) and common sense does prevail.
It's true that the rules are gone, but it's also true that this forum was never governed by rules, it was always governed by common sense. -
Shinji 5,902 posts
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Registered 20 years ago1) "Freedom of speech" is not an applicable concept on a privately owned and run web forum.
2) Young master Cheeseman may not have been aware of the ruling on linking to piracy resources, which is why his post was deleted rather than his account, presumably. Seems fair to me.
3) Er, I don't know where the forum T&Cs have gone. Peculiar. I'll check down the back of the EG sofa later. -
djchump 4,463 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSticky Thread at top of forum:
Linky
Forum and Comments Policy:
Comments policy
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BTW - I'm totally with the mods on this one - they own this forum so can do what they want. There is no "freedom of speech" or "first amendment" here - it's an internet forum.
If you're the kind of whiner that demands their freedom of speech, then set up your own internet forum - and good luck dealing with the trolls and flamers if you ain't gonna be banning people.gif)
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HiddenPooh 1,426 posts
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Registered 16 years agoAnybody even remotely familar with the 'warez' scene would and should have known that no forums allow linking to that kind of site. Even on forums devoted to the discussions of this kind of stuff it is never allowed.
You have to conclude that the poster was either very inexperienced in these matters or just trying to piss the mods off. -
Shinji 5,902 posts
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Registered 20 years agoOooh, well spotted dunk. We could probably do with linking that more prominently really, given how quickly we're picking up new users...
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djchump 4,463 posts
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Registered 16 years agoShinji wrote:
It's linked in Otto's "The comments batphone" sticky.
Oooh, well spotted dunk. We could probably do with linking that more prominently really, given how quickly we're picking up new users...
/removes hand from back of EG sofa, stares at fingers in dismay, runs to sink and scrubs furiously...
So maybe just making the title of that thread more obvious would do it -
Boof 418 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIt's a fair decision. All the forums I frequent have rules that ban the linking of warez because of the potential legal ramifications that the site could leave themselves open to. -
The forum rules aren't that hard to find are they? And common sense would say that talking about piracy was a no-no.
The freedom of speech argument is a poor one, i reckon. You want to talk about piracy? Set up your own website and do it. That's freedom of speech. Forcing other people to host your comments on their website doesn't equate to freedom of speech. What about EG's freedom? The freedom of speech doesn't come with a an obligation for others to listen to you.
The preparing a speech on the subject get out clause - sounds a bit like Pete Townsend's 'research' into paedophile websites to me, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. let us know how the speech goes. Perhaps post a copy of the text. -
Flightrisker 18,139 posts
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Registered 16 years agoHiddenPooh wrote:
You have to conclude that the poster was either very inexperienced in these matters or just trying to piss the mods off.
But he's "praring an argumentitive speech on this subject".
Flinty, you seem like a descent sort, just cool the jet's on the torrent thing and I'm sure we'll all get along fine.
What do you think of the Xbox 360's launch titles?
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mentat 5,613 posts
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Registered 20 years agoHyoushi wrote:
Hmm.
The man raises an interesting point. The forum ToS page seems to have vanished after the redesign, so there was no way for mr. Cheeseman to know the rules if he joined after the redesign. Which seems likely looking at his UID.
So, gentlemen otto and mentat, you just owned yourselves again. I salute you.
Seems like you self owned yourself whilst attempting to own someone else there.
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Teeth 7,987 posts
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Registered 18 years agoTo me, the post seemed like a roundabout way of advertising the piracy site more than anything else. -
Spin_Dr_Wolf 6,170 posts
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Registered 18 years agoHyoushi wrote:
Ignorance is not a defence. Also why single out two of the forumite mods as opposed to someone whop actually works for EG and has enough access to alter the site itself in anyway !?
The man raises an interesting point. The forum ToS page seems to have vanished after the redesign, so there was no way for mr. Cheeseman to know the rules if he joined after the redesign. Which seems likely looking at his UID.
So, gentlemen otto and mentat, you just owned yourselves again. I salute you. -
Spin_Dr_Wolf 6,170 posts
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Registered 18 years agomentat wrote:
/hits with boring normal stick
Sorry, who said freedom of speech applies on this forum?
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GTBurns 1,772 posts
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Registered 18 years agoflintcheeseman wrote:
I truely am sorry ...
... of the fore mentioned rules ...
... I happen to be praring an argumentitive speech on this subject.
No hard feelings.
Flint Cheeseman
You might want to 'prare' the old grammar and spell checker before getting stuck in that speech, cheese! Though if there's anything worse than a half-arsed speech - it's a half-arsed apology! -
Bill-Gates-is-Evil 8,934 posts
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Registered 19 years agoThe concept of freedom of speech does not apply when you are a GUEST on someone elses property-- i.e. you being on Eurogamer or any other website not your own. It is not a violation of your civil rights.
If you let me into your house and I started calling you a dumbass and then you wanted me to shut up and leave, you didn't violate my right to freedom of speech, because your right to ownership and control of your own property supercedes freedom of speech. -
morriss 71,293 posts
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Registered 17 years agoMetalDog wrote:
/lends Flint a stepladder
Looks like you need a hand getting over yourself, there
haven't heard that one before...nice. I like it!.gif)
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Furbs wrote:
Context context. Here we had a new arrival in the forum who had introduced himself by posting new threads on piracy. Both were presented as 'discussion topics' on the rights and wrongs, and the first led to an interesting and long discussion. The second, well, in my judgement it was a fairly transparent troll for a warez discussion. I and the other mods are under strict instructions from the site owners to stamp down hard on any discussion of warez. Established regulars do have more leeway in this respect than newcomers, that's a fact of life. Regs usually get the benefit of the doubt, first- or second-time posters not.
And finally I should point out this thread which was an ongoing discussion whilst otto was active on the forum yet wasnt even looked at - even the first post makes it pretty obvious what its about. I'm not having a go at otto here, but if theses rules are going to be applied consistently (to avoid victimising, or rather a sense of), maybe there is now too much activity for the handful of mods we have? -
Linking is a no-no...but if all discussion of it is banned (which is what it was locked for based on ottos message) then the mods are going to be busy...the "Justifications for piracy" thread is still unlocked, and imo is a very interesting discussion. The Lost Season 2 thread needs to be locked as that clearly a result of pirated material, and the Battlestar Galactica one, and the Half Life 2 Xbox one. Oh and theres a Usenet tutorial out there which lets be honest, the majority of users will use for piracy. Maybe Razz's softmod thread too? How many threads mention a no-cd patch?
Remove the links, even take stronger action against the poster, but locking a discussion is harsh...
The thread in question
IIRC, it was a link to izonews or nforce(?) or an NZB hosting service which was deleted? If I'm wrong, my apologies, but as I understand it, those first two sites actually offer no illegal content?
And finally I should point out this thread which was an ongoing discussion whilst otto was active on the forum yet wasnt even looked at - even the first post makes it pretty obvious what its about. I'm not having a go at otto here, but if theses rules are going to be applied consistently (to avoid victimising, or rather a sense of), maybe there is now too much activity for the handful of mods we have?
Edited by Furbs at 09:35:35 18-11-2005
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