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It seems that the likes of Samsung, NEC and LG/Philips have/will all release large 40" plus LCD TVs this year. Apparently 42" and 52" models are due for release too, and reports suggest LCD is superior to Plasma, making it a great choice for the insane gamer who wants the ultimate display. Anyone seen these beasts running in the flesh, or does anyone have a more in depth knowledge of these things? |
LCD TVs vs Plasma
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krudster 597 posts
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oddheadshape 953 posts
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Registered 19 years agoWOPR wrote:
krudster wrote:
I've seen several of these beasts set up in John Lewis and I after say the picture quality was terrible. I really don't see the fuss about these big screens.
It seems that the likes of Samsung, NEC and LG/Philips have/will all release large 40" plus LCD TVs this year. Apparently 42" and 52" models are due for release too, and reports suggest LCD is superior to Plasma, making it a great choice for the insane gamer who wants the ultimate display.
Anyone seen these beasts running in the flesh, or does anyone have a more in depth knowledge of these things?
what were they hooked up too?? if thet are hooked up to dvd players they should be crystal clear -
Takashi 85 posts
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Registered 19 years agoExcept, of course, they are hooked up in wonderfull composite-o-vision (I cringe everytime I see a projection screen with the bloddy front panel open and a yellow plug going into a 500 Eur Sony DVD). As for flat TV's, I'd wait for the new organic and electroluminoscent things to appear. The classic reflective LCD and plasma screens should take a plunge after that. -
ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoPlasma screens are not seen as being the long term solution to large flat screen displays - they just cost too much money to make and have too many problems. I've never seen a plasma/LCD screen that beats a top notch traditional CRT yet - even those hooked up correctly to flattering equipment. -
eviltobz 2,511 posts
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Registered 20 years agogood call ssuellid, i've yet to see a screen that comes close to the quality of a crt, they just have something that no other technology seems able to re-create. at least the lcds shouldn't suffer from the same scary screen-burn issues that the plasmas have tho. -
krudster 597 posts
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Registered 19 years agoLCDs ought to kick Plasma screens from a great height. I have a lovely 36" CRT (Toshiba) but the depth of it is ridiculous. Something just compels me to have a flat screen mutha hanging from my chimney breast. -
sheepfish 1,168 posts
Registered 19 years agoOn the question of what brand, I read an article about Sony having a feature to prevent screenburn. It involved the whole image being slowly rotated on the screen in a circular motion, much too slow to notice, but enough to prevent any damage to the screen itself. I think its primary role was to negate the effects of broadcaster logos but it is also clearly of benefit to gamers.
On the subject of electroluminescent (?) things, they are due to come into commercial use later this year, firstly on the back of a digital camera ( I believe samsung but can't remember ) and they are apprently already pretty advanced. The are supposed to be cheaper and better than plasmas and lcd's as they invlove the mass manufacture of many small simple components rather than of a single complex one. If I can find the article I read, I'll post a link. -
oddheadshape 953 posts
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Registered 19 years agosheepfish wrote:
On the question of what brand, I read an article about Sony having a feature to prevent screenburn. It involved the whole image being slowly rotated on the screen in a circular motion, much too slow to notice, but enough to prevent any damage to the screen itself. I think its primary role was to negate the effects of broadcaster logos but it is also clearly of benefit to gamers.
that was actually a samsung technology -
bystander 186 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThere are quite a few new screen technologies being introduced reasonably soon which could replace plasma and LCDs.
We have Organic Light Emitting Diodes (OLED) made by Kodak, [link=http://www.cdtltd.co.uk/">Light Emitting Polymers (LEP) developed here in the UK by CDT, -
bystander 186 posts
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Registered 20 years agoIf you had to pick a plasma screen I've heard good things about Pioneer's range of 43" screens. www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk don't seem to be a bad place to buy from. Whilst they aren't the cheapest they do offer 12 months interest free credit which does allow you to spread the cost a bit. -
Shivoa 6,314 posts
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Registered 20 years agoFrom what I've read Sony are only majorly behing OLED right now for the small screen size and their plans are for all new plones from sometime next year onwards to use the tech as it saves battery life, looks much better (the phrase animated paper has been used by some people who've seen it), and should be just as cheap as LED when the screen is only a few inches.
I read about LEP a while back but it seemed the 'very cool in theory but you need someone big to back it and build the big plant to make it in bulk' problem might be going on. Don't know how much Philips have invested in LEP but Sony's OLED plant goes to full capacity next year if reports are to be believed.
Either one sounds like a step in the right direction for all your portable needs (PDA and phone are my major upgrades in the next few years and I think OLED is worth waitng for) but I'm not sure how long it'll be before we get it cheaply in the 24" and above sector (HDTV res or 19" PC res) -
bystander 186 posts
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Registered 20 years agoShivoa wrote:
I read about LEP a while back but it seemed the 'very cool in theory but you need someone big to back it and build the big plant to make it in bulk' problem might be going on. Don't know how much Philips have invested in LEP but Sony's OLED plant goes to full capacity next year if reports are to be believed.
CDT have already built a £16 million plant which has already started making LEP screens. Philips makes a shaver with LEP as have Delta (who have released a LEP-sporting MP3 player in Taiwan). Most of the equipment for making LEPs already exists in today's LCD plants. -
Mike_Hunt 23,524 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI SO don't want to be reading this right now!! I had my heart set on picking up a Plasma or Projector in the near future, and you're telling me as soon as I buy it it'll be outdated and worth nothing.
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JabbaDaHut 651 posts
Registered 19 years agoMike_Hunt wrote:
Heh same as bloody everything else really...
I SO don't want to be reading this right now!! I had my heart set on picking up a Plasma or Projector in the near future, and you're telling me as soon as I buy it it'll be outdated and worth nothing.
Damnitt
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Mike_Hunt 23,524 posts
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Registered 19 years agoGood point - well made.
/goes off shopping.
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Killerbee 5,249 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI reckon the next big thing over the next decade or two will be hydrogen powered engines for cars - General Motors are apparently developing the idea and that'd transform motoring.
Gadget wise, I reckon wireless is going to be the way forward - Bluetooth is pretty much obsolete before it's become mainstream - we need something with a much greater range. Before long you'll be able to open up your laptop anywhere you like and have fast internet and comms access available to you.
Oh, apart from when you go through a tunnel on the train..gif)
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Machiavel 5,964 posts
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Registered 19 years agomicrochip tattoos. Or maybe devices that plug into your head for 'ease of use'. I keep wondering what new technology will separate me from the next generation - assuming txt spk doesn't count.
Quite happy with new gadgets, codes and devices. But permanent tattoos or wires plugged into my brain make me reach for the paper and slippers. -
ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoSmall point this may be to most of you but hydrogen is very very costly to extract from water. You may feel like a good eco friendly person driving a hydrogen powered car but its taken fucks load of traditional power generation to extract it.
As for all the new screen technologies it has taken more than 5 generations of LCD technologies to get to the current state of the art LCD. Its going to take a good few years before the new technologies perform well enough and then years after that before they fall in price.
There have been lots of stories about Sony and new screen technolgies - apparently they fucked up big time not putting any cash into LCD development and have seen most of their monitor market wiped out.
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ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoNot according to the GM bloke on TV pimping his Hydrogen car. You been reading Nature Otto?
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http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/19/ma_375_01.html
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ssuellid 19,142 posts
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"Under the President’s Freedom Fuel initiative, the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by fuel cells. Freedom Fuel complements the President’s existing FreedomCAR initiative, which is developing technologies needed for mass production of safe and affordable hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles. Through partnerships with the private sector, Freedom Fuel and FreedomCAR will make it practical and cost-effective for large numbers of Americans to choose to use clean, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by 2020. This will dramatically improve America’s energy security by significantly reducing the need for imported oil, as well as help clean our air and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. "
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030130-20.html
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"According to the administration's National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap, drafted last year in concert with the energy industry, up to 90 percent of all hydrogen will be refined from oil, natural gas, and other fossil fuels -- in a process using energy generated by burning oil, coal, and natural gas. The remaining 10 percent will be cracked from water using nuclear energy. "
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JabbaDaHut 651 posts
Registered 19 years agoMachiavel wrote:
Ooh that's for me -A loverly HUD will do nicely thank you very much!
microchip tattoos. Or maybe devices that plug into your head for 'ease of use'. I keep wondering what new technology will separate me from the next generation - assuming txt spk doesn't count.
Quite happy with new gadgets, codes and devices. But permanent tattoos or wires plugged into my brain make me reach for the paper and slippers. -
Shivoa 6,314 posts
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Registered 20 years agoYep, fuel cells sound like quite a cool way forward but lets not forget how far we've already come to get to today's Li Polymer. Any owner of an expensive MD player/iPod or modern B&W PDA knows that the extensive playback comes with virtually no size hit as the battery is a tiny thing that can be shaped to whatever space is left. For the cool and tiny tech toys we all love this is a great surce of power and as long as you avoid the cursed color backlit LCD you can actually get many many hours from one charge. Hopefully these new display techs will be able to cut the power requirements with added efficiency and battery capacity desity is continuing to grow.
On the wireless front Bluetooth is still quite a good idea for just letting devices know each other are about. You phone goes off and your listening to your MD and BT makes it possible for you to get a warning from your MD. That isn't a bandwidth intensive process and relative proximity is important (as in you'll probably be carrying your phone or at the most have it in the same set of rooms) to stop it overloading the system with signals. For the longer range or higher badwidth the 2.4GHz (802.11b/g - AirWire or some such moniker on Mac?) looks like it'll get quite a lot of subscribers in the next few years but with all the mobile phone interference in the future I'm not sure how that'll last and the 5GHz level of 802.11a might be a cleaner place for short distance high badwidth. -
I remember reading about those electrolumiwotsits in New Scientist a couple of years back, they were getting very excited about their potential, nice to know they're coming to market - should have a big impact. -
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LEP was what I'd read about. -
Now you're misrepresenting me! 
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Heh, well seeing as we're beginning to veer into a discussion of new technologies round the corner, which ones are you most looking forward to?
I reckon ten years from now we'll be looking at some very exciting consumer technology incorporating LEPs, micro-fuel cells, perhaps a successor to bluetooth... Very exciting, think of the applications.
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Killerbee wrote:
Fuel cell tech for cars has been in development for a long time, market leaders are DaimlerChrysler and Ford. The Yanks recently hopped on the bandwagon as a way of distracting attention from their failure to sign up to Kyoto. Hydrogen-powered cars should be commercially available within the next couple of years and they'll be everywhere before long.
I reckon the next big thing over the next decade or two will be hydrogen powered engines for cars - General Motors are apparently developing the idea and that'd transform motoring.
No, the really exciting thing (for me) is not the larger fuel cells for use in cars etc, it's the tiny little ones that are beginning to find their way into portable electronics. Imagine - instead of having to plug your laptop/phone/PDA into a wall socket - you simply pop in a new ethanol capsule, costing pennies but delivering more power for longer than the best current battery tech. The technology is there, it's already in consumer electronics, now it's just a question of bringing cost down. It will probably totally transform mobile computing. -
ssuellid wrote:
It won't be extracted from water, it'll be extracted from hydrocarbons such as ethanol. It'll be "greener" insofar as the emissions will be far more innocuous, and we'll have an 'organic' alternative to fossil fuel, but it'll be far from "green" - we'll still have CO2 emissions, we'll still have heavily industrialised farming to extract the methanol from plants, and of course we'll still have congestion, road-building, etc etc.
Small point this may be to most of you but hydrogen is very very costly to extract from water. You may feel like a good eco friendly person driving a hydrogen powered car but its taken fucks load of traditional power generation to extract it. -
The point with fuel cell technology is that it offers a bridge between existing infrastructure and an ideal future where the hydrogen will be extracted from water. For the time being, hydrogen will be stripped out of hydrocarbons (petrol and plant-based alcohols) which can be delivered via the existing infrastructure (petrol stations etc).
It suits GM and other motor manufacturers to talk about hydrogen as a clean fuel from water because it sounds nice and green. But it's far from reality. Still, be grateful that the emissions will consist almost entirely of water, that in itself will be a major step forward.
I used to follow this very closely as I was Mr Automotive Carbon Dioxide Emissions here. -
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It's all well and good, the problem is (a) it's being used by Bush to distract attention from his failure to address climate change, and (b) it's being presented as a US initiative when the technology has been in development for years, with the European car industry in the driving seat (though the leading company in developing the technology is a Canadian one, Ballard Systems). The EU's voluntary agreement with global carmakers to cut CO2 emissions is one of the major factors behind the huge investment carmakers have been making into fuel cell tech over the last five years.
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