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Mola_Ram 17,579 posts
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sega 908 posts
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Registered 10 years ago@altitude2k I think the difference with Pike is that they went through a lot of trouble to rescue him in the last film. He was also Kirk's mentor and the one who set him on his path, so there's a lot of history between the two there. I don't think it's so much screen time, but rather history the characters have had together. By this film Kirk and Spock have only been out with the Enterprise a couple of times and they've probably known some of the red shirts longer at this point.
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altitude2k 5,238 posts
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Registered 9 years agosega wrote:
Totally. It was a bit like Kirk was losing another father.
@altitude2k I think the difference with Pike is that they went through a lot of trouble to rescue him in the last film. He was also Kirk's mentor and the one who set him on his path, so there's a lot of history between the two there. I don't think it's so much screen time, but rather history the characters have had together. By this film Kirk and Spock have only been out with the Enterprise a couple of times and they've probably known some of the red shirts longer at this point. -
morriss 71,290 posts
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Registered 14 years agoMola_Ram wrote:
Please don't tell me we're going to have pages of people going on about lens flare again. -
FartPipe 5,307 posts
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Registered 6 years agoJust booked to see Into Darkness for half one today. Can't. Wait. -
CharlieStCloud 5,812 posts
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Registered 8 years agoSaw it this morning.
... I fecking hope Abrams keep his lens flare shit out of the new Star Wars but other than that, it was jolly good romp; plenty of action and the hasty pacing made the few hours fly by. I am not a Star Trek fan by any means so, story wise, it had little impact on me to be honest.
Sherlock Holmes was the best thing about it all though!
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FartPipe 5,307 posts
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Registered 6 years agoWell just got back, holy fuck balls it was amazing.
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midnight_walker wrote:
I think the last point is partly down to there not being all that history you, as a viewer, have with that character (different actor, different character) but you are right that it wasn't done very well. There was no real emotion or sense of peril in what was going on.
Overall I really enjoyed it, but I'm a bit disappointed that they took so much 'inspiration' from TWOK. I was really hoping this new breed of Trek would kind of carve out its own path and have its own stories to tell. I successfully avoided spoilers until I saw it, but it was clear fairly early on that John Harrison was Khan because I already know Trek and that shouldn't be the case - I still want to be surprised. Also Kirk's 'death' was nowhere near as impactful as old Spock's because we already know the true outcome, and even without that being the case I just don't think it was done as well as in TWOK. -
RobAnybody 1,540 posts
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Registered 7 years agoMola_Ram wrote:
Isn't it the only thing worth talking about?
Please don't tell me we're going to have pages of people going on about lens flare again.
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Jacksie66 588 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI just saw it there an hour ago. My verdict... Shite.
I'll give it 1/5.
Simon peggs Scotty
The whole Kahn shit
The terrible Klingons getting slaughtered
Kahhhhnnnnnnnn
Simon pegg
The god dam tribble
Kirks woeful death....
I'm a massive star trek fan. This wasn't star trek for me. Just a shit Hollywood cash in.
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GrandpaUlrira 3,801 posts
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Registered 12 years agoWhen the emotional centre of your film reads like a terrible parody you messed up. The 'Khaaaan!' stuff was laughable. Easily worse the the Darth Vader 'Noooooo!' The more I think about Into Darkness the worse it gets. -
I'll rate the lens flare a 8/10
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varsas 2,495 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI saw it yesterday afternoon and loved it like the first; I had less problem with the plot than the first where I didn't like the red matter macguffin.
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stephenb 3,381 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI quite enjoyed it. Special effects and set pieces were very good Khan and Kirks zero g foray was spectacular in 3D. It does seem to be a bit Star Trek Lite at times.
Every star system seems to be 60 seconds away from each other by warp as the editing of the film gives no real indication of time passing as they travel to another destination.
It's amusing that the tech is so far in advance of the orginal series, all though maybe old Spock is giving them a few pointers, save for the flip open communicators.
The transwarp beaming is a bit too convenient for advancing a plot. On the whole though a solid 8/10. But , KHANNNNN!!!!
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McGeeza 1,887 posts
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Registered 13 years agosega wrote:
It's because this film is a 'reimagining' of Star Seed (the TV episode), not WoK, which is why I was expecting them to drop Khan & co off at the death world, as punishment, at the end of the film.
@midnight_walker I probably hated that part the most. In Wrath of Khan, the Spock that sacrifices himself and does the "friend" speech is an older guy who we've shared three TV series and one movie with. In this film we've just had one movie with them bickering at each other and the only revelation that they're now friends in the opening scene. It just has nowhere near the same impact and probably shouldn't have been attempted for that reason.
I've also not been able to figure out why Khan is so much younger (forgetting he's also a different race) - did they explain it and I just missed it? In the original TV series, Khan is frozen at about 50 years old long before this timeline change occurs. Why is he now considerably younger? He should be exactly the same age he was in the original TV series, right?
Edit actually it combines the two of them I suppose, but you get the idea
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GrandpaUlrira 3,801 posts
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Registered 12 years agoSpace Seed, you mean? .gif)
I completely agree about how small the universe feels. There's not really much trekking going on, and the transwarp beaming is so far in advance of travel technology established in other Trek it's almost ridiculous.
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stephenb 3,381 posts
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Registered 11 years agoNear the end during Kirk's death scene it lost all emotional impact for two reasons. First we have no real attachment to the actors as they've only been in one previous film together. Secondly Khan's blood healing the child and Bones experimenting with the tribble, meant I spent the entire scene thinking 'well you'll be cured in half an hour matey' -
beastmaster 18,077 posts
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Registered 14 years agoYep. Would be much better if they had the balls to keep Kirk dead. -
I get the impression there is no realistic treatment of the tech.
They just use the tech or reinvent it to suit the plot, patch plot holes and keep it moving.
I feel JJ Abrams is the worse thing to happen to trek to be honest.
the casting is actually spot on its the scripting and action at all cost directing which drowns the Trek essence out. Sometimes lets just have the cast having time to breath and interact, rather than flying here there and everywhere at 100 miles an hour.
The whole reboot issue feels confused I don't think Abrams knows what to do with the new Trek world. Either reinvent the timeline completely or adjust it and play homage.
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sega 908 posts
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Registered 10 years agoMcGeeza wrote:
Well when I said about Khan being about 50 I meant Space Seed as opposed to Wrath Of Khan, where he looks closer to 70. I'm pretty sure he should be about 50 in this too - older, even, since he was obviously thawed out years earlier to the events in this movie. I supposed he could have had surgery to look younger (Doc Brown style) but I didn't see this guy as Khan. Maybe that was the point to completely throw us off. I don't know.
It's because this film is a 'reimagining' of Star Seed (the TV episode), not WoK, which is why I was expecting them to drop Khan & co off at the death world, as punishment, at the end of the film.
Edit actually it combines the two of them I suppose, but you get the idea
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Scurrminator 9,033 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI really wanted to love this but it just felt a bit...meh. My love of Trek meant I enjoyed it but I certainly don't feel it was as good as the last film.
Sherlock was good as we're the effects. But due to them being so secretive about it all I'd feverishly hunted down spoilers and ruined it for myself. Sad face.
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gammonbanter 1,654 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI think it's time to let Seth Macfarlane have a go at a proper ST TV show and let the big budget films look pretty and coin in the cash. -
captbirdseye 8,401 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI doubt we'll ever see a 'proper' Trek show ever again as people are just not interested in it anymore . If we did see a show it would certainly follow the films look and feel.
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RichieTenenbaum 2,736 posts
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Registered 7 years agoI'm sure I've said it before, but a Trek show from the viewpoint of a shipping vessel would be good. Kind of the other side of the view screen.
They could contrast what it's like being a civillian in this universe. Maybe it's a bit shitty and Starfleet don't look so rosy when you're outside looking in. Maybe they save a former Starfleet cadet from a slave house as their visiting a system. And he contrasts the lifestyles. And they can talk about how sometimes Starfleet leave their redshirts behind.
Maybe they can explore religion a bit more. Maybe have a crew member who has taken a vow of silence. Maybe later on in the series it's revealed he can talk, that he's morally grey. Maybe a guest character hears him talk and he kills them.
Maybe the tech is a bit backwards. Maybe at one point they're being attacked and the cadet suggests rerouting power from life support to the engines to escape. And then they run about the ship frantically pulling leavers and switchboxes becuase they have to MANUALLY re route power. Maybe that would be a fun, cool and exciting.
Maybe in the pilot they could be contacted by a shadowy Starfleet general who wants them to deliver a device deep inside Romulan space. But he won't tell them what it is. Maybe they don't want to know. Then they learn that it's a weapon to end a civil war. And there's some kind of over arching plot becuase of that.
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THE EXCITING ADVENTURES OF A SHIPPING VESSEL
WATCH IN AWE AS THEY GO OVER THE MANIFESTO
CRINGE IN DELIGHT AS THE AUDIT THE CARGO
SHARE THE ADVENTURE AS THEY TRANSFER THE GOODS AND GET SOMEONE IN CHARGE TO SIGN THE FORMS -
cubbymoore 36,677 posts
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"who is?"
"management upstairs, a guy called Gary I think."
"okay, thanks, those doors there? Great, see ya"
"bye!"
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May as well bring back Firefly.
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