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PS3 BluRay to be slower than DVD?
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ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoWell accoring to all the MS Fanboys, ANY game will fit on a DVD anyway and games on a BD will just be 'stupid bloat Jap games with 50,000 hours of cutscenes'.
Given the PS3 is (likely) to be dual format BD and DVD reader, it shouldn't make difference anyway right? the DVD reader will be 8x or higher (probably). -
octo 980 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIt's the one thing I really don't get about all of this Blu Ray malarky. How the hell are sony going to be able to subsidised the cost of these suckers and keep the unit below three or four hundred pounds?
When DVD was launched in the UK it took several years for the cost of the units to fall significantly. Over the past two years the market has become segmented with high end, mid range and low end players. When BR launches in the UK, it's going to cost an absolute fortune. And yet Sony can subsidise the cost of the hardware? How? How can they afford to take such an enormous loss on each and every machine sold? How the fuck does that work?
My pocket bulges at the thought of all that lovely money falling down sofas at sony HQ. -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoocto wrote:
So does this mean you're 'excited' about it?
My pocket bulges at the thought of all that lovely money falling down sofas at sony HQ.
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octo wrote:
My pocket bulges at the thought of all that lovely money falling down sofas at sony HQ.
Is it money in your pocket or are you just happy to buy a PS3?.gif)
Oh and...
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EGBartonFink 914 posts
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Registered 16 years agoCarlo wrote:
Well that's mostly what the developers are saying Carlo for the moment DVD is good enough. However a few years down the line when the developers do finally start to include that type of content it will come into it. For the moment DVD is enough. It would be brilliant if they did start making use of it from the get go but that's just not going to happen the development costs would be way too much for them to absorb. It will be a gradual thing in the same way it moved from CD to DVD content with the amount of capacity being used gradually increasing year on year.
Well accoring to all the MS Fanboys, ANY game will fit on a DVD anyway and games on a BD will just be 'stupid bloat Jap games with 50,000 hours of cutscenes'.
Given the PS3 is (likely) to be dual format BD and DVD reader, it shouldn't make difference anyway right? the DVD reader will be 8x or higher (probably).
On the dual BluRay and DVD drive thing I am not sure that it works that way. -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoEGBartonFink wrote:
Your sensible and well thought out (not to mention most likely true!) answer has made me look a fool now
Carlo wrote:
Well that's mostly what the developers are saying Carlo for the moment DVD is good enough. However a few years down the line when the developers do finally start to include that type of content it will come into it. For the moment DVD is enough. It would be brilliant if they did start making use of it from the get go but that's just not going to happen the development costs would be way too much for them to absorb. It will be a gradual thing in the same way it moved from CD to DVD content with the amount of capacity being used gradually increasing year on year.
Well accoring to all the MS Fanboys, ANY game will fit on a DVD anyway and games on a BD will just be 'stupid bloat Jap games with 50,000 hours of cutscenes'.
Given the PS3 is (likely) to be dual format BD and DVD reader, it shouldn't make difference anyway right? the DVD reader will be 8x or higher (probably).
On the dual BluRay and DVD drive thing I am not sure that it works that way.
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tengu wrote:
If it doesn't cut down loading times, then wtf is the point?
Blu-Ray movies? -
morriss 71,293 posts
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Registered 17 years agotengu wrote:
If it doesn't cut down loading times, then wtf is the point?
Exactly.
Oh well only another 13-14 months to wait for the answer... -
ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoPersonally I think the article is pretty flawed. I doubt any of the home deck competitors give a shit how fast the BluRay drive is inside the PS3. Why would they? - they will just be concentrating on a high quality single speed drive for film playback - times x is not important for film playback. -
EGBartonFink 914 posts
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Registered 16 years agoocto wrote:
They will be expensive alright but as Sony have said not as expensive as some people are making out.
It's the one thing I really don't get about all of this Blu Ray malarky. How the hell are sony going to be able to subsidised the cost of these suckers and keep the unit below three or four hundred pounds?
They will probably absorb a large loss on the console initially to keep the cost to the consumer down in the hope that content attach rates offset some of this loss. They had better hope so or as the fella says they is fuxx0r3d if they don't. If they go the other potential route of a high price point for the console they will run a huge risk of nobody buying them so being the sensible types they are they will probably go down the former route and price the console within $100 of the 360 anything above that an they are in trouble. -
In other news, another industry consortium has announced a new disc based next gen storage format, boasting up to 100GB capacity on a single layer:
/drum roll
Green-Leonard!!
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Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoLeDilettante wrote:
In other news, another industry consortium has announced a new disc based next gen storage format, boasting up to 100GB capacity on a single layer:
/drum roll
Green-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYY!!
/splash cymbal
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Thanks that's much better! -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agorhythm wrote:
This is it. If they price it too close, people'll think they are the same generation consoles.
EGBartonFink wrote:
they will probably go down the former route and price the console within $100 of the 360 anything above that an they are in trouble.
I'm guessing double what the 360 cost, easily. They'll still have a market, the console will gain that extra bit of "exclusivity" and there's less chance that initial runs will run dry.
But eveyone knows the PS3 iz teh REAL n3x7 g3n! So (the XBox1.5)360@£250 = Ps3@£400 and PS2 @£100
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EGBartonFink 914 posts
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Registered 16 years agowasp wrote:
Probably because of the reasons I mentioned above the developers just haven't got to that size yet so the need to multi-DVD games has yet to hit and probably won't for a while yet. The advantage of BluRay is it will likely never hit it's upper limit during it's lifetime whereas with the 360 we will likely have multi-DVD games in a couple of years or so when the upper limit of the format is reached by developers.
Someone made a point about how there were quite a few multi-disc PS1 titles, suggesting that the storage limitation was very much reached in that generation, yet on the other hand there has been very little in the way of multi-DVD titles this time round.
At the end of the day it's all the same content who really cares what the delivery mechanism is?
The crux of the article is that perhaps the speed of the delivery of the content may present it's own problems in terms of load times etc. -
morriss 71,293 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI was going get one but at £400 quid they can do one.
I want to see price justification from the start, no "You're paying the extra £100 for what it can do a couple of years from now." -
I sense a sudden surge of sales for those 'optional' HDD units in order to boost the loading times... .gif)
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Now more seriously, I've lately been comforted in my opinion that Sony is putting far too much emphasis on BR, and overestimating the impact it will have on the buying public.
I had the opportunity to catch up with a few mates in London. They all bought a PS2 and were taking the piss out of me when I bought an Xbox all those years ago. I asked them if they were going to buy the next Playstation, and none of them were keen. They're happy with what they've got, their DVD collection and the few games they own. They were not even casual gamers to start with, and now most of them have stopped playing entirely.
You see, reason why they picked up the PS2, is that EFFECTIVELY it was a brilliant opportunity to switch from VHS to DVD at a low cost, with the added bonus of playing a few games. That they did. They picked up GTA3, the Vice City, then those casual gamers stopped playing eventually. One of them didn't even bother with GTA:SA.
There's not a chance on earth they're going to see the same opportunity to change format with the PS3, because it's not that big a leap from DVD, compared to the switch VHS to DVD represented.
Of course this group of people is not representative of the whole of the 100M+ that bought the PS2, but I think they represent a good chunk of those casual gamers, or wider audience.
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Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agomorriss wrote:
Apply this the the quality of the PS2 games (or even the 360).
I was going get one but at £400 quid they can do one.
I want to see price justification from the start, no "You're paying the extra £100 for what it can do a couple of years from now."
The first gen games cannot justify the initial expence of the console. You are (in a sence) buying a console for what it will eventually be providing in years to come.
Initial games on the PS2 compared to this year's stuff... Same with the 360. This batch = dire when you compare it to that games we all expect to be seeing in the future (so says my crystal ball). -
EGBartonFink 914 posts
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Registered 16 years agoCarlo wrote:
I do get what you are trying to say alright Carlo.
rhythm wrote:
This is it. If they price it too close, people'll think they are the same generation consoles.
EGBartonFink wrote:
they will probably go down the former route and price the console within $100 of the 360 anything above that an they are in trouble.
I'm guessing double what the 360 cost, easily. They'll still have a market, the console will gain that extra bit of "exclusivity" and there's less chance that initial runs will run dry.
But eveyone knows the PS3 iz teh REAL n3x7 g3n! So (the XBox1.5)360@£250 = Ps3@£400 and PS2 @£100
See?
The problem I have with that thinking is at that price I would find it very hard to justify it's purchase and I would consider myself and early adopter when it comes to consoles. It's not that I wouldn't be able to afford it I just could not justify it. I also think Sony know this and are frankly not stupid by any means and will probaly go for something in the range of about £300-£350 which tbh is still a bit on the high side.
If they try to push T3h R341 N3x+ 63N too much though it may very well backfire badly on them.
If do think if they try and push it as a BluRay player it may very well pay off for them. -
wasp wrote:
PS3 will be an excuse for people to buy plasmas. There's your VHS -> DVD equivalence.
Possibly. Possibly not. It was of course only my opinion so it could be wide off the mark, I'm no market researcher... -
EGBartonFink 914 posts
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Registered 16 years agoBlerk wrote:
yup
I sense a sudden surge of sales for those 'optional' HDD units in order to boost the loading times... -
EGBartonFink 914 posts
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Registered 16 years agowasp wrote:
Well it worked with 360 that seems to have helped the sales of HD-Ready LCD/Plasma recently.
PS3 will be an excuse for people to buy plasmas. There's your VHS -> DVD equivalence.
I can't see PS3 being any different possibly even more so with a BluRay drive delivering HD movies. -
malteaserhead 13,443 posts
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Registered 17 years agoEGBartonFink wrote:
If do think if they try and push it as a BluRay player it may very well pay off for them.
I think (ok I didn't really think too much) that would be a mistake for wider sales...
does the public care about blu ray?
'hey chaps, buy a new movie player for loads o cash that you need new movies and a new telly to get the best from' -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agowasp wrote:
I have no illusions that *most* first batch games (on every console) generally suck especially when you look back on the lifetime of the console.
Carlo wrote:
We all see what you did there.
Initial games on the PS2 compared to this year's stuff... Same with the 360. This batch = dire
The only exception in my mind was the PS1... Some great lauch games. -
ssuellid 19,142 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThere does not seem to be as much interest in the upcoming HD film formats as there was with DVD.
DVD got loads of mainstream coverage, specialist press coverage and non techie people I knew were genuinely interested etc.
HD film does not seem to have that and there does not seem to be that much buzz about it on the specialist forums. Nor does it seem to have generated much of a buzz with people I know in general - DVD is good enough for them.
With DVD you could get great results with the vast majority of TVs already in peoples houses. With HD that is not the case. -
malteaserhead wrote:
It doesn't have to work that way around, though. By the end of the year, every high-street shop is going to be pushing high-def telly like crazy and the man on the street is going to be suckered into buying one even if he doesn't really want/need one.
'hey chaps, buy a new movie player for loads o cash that you need new movies and a new telly to get the best from'
People will buy blu-ray/hd-dvd players to compliment their new tellies, not new tellies to compliment their new blu-ray/hd-dvd player. -
Wasp, the only way to know that is to actually own and play a few of them. There's your answer. -
Check the other PS3 threads for that "PS3" hands on. There the developer speaks about them currently designing based on a drive speed which is at least the speed of a x10 DVD. So comparable to the X360 drive then.
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