Pike wrote: Did I dream it or was there recently a news story on exactly that - a wand for PS2 that Sony are working on? |
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Registered 19 years agoKhanivor wrote:
Widely - meaning you and the people in your house? It most certainly is not anywhere else.
And the game widely considered to be the best ever released on a Nintendo machine was...
Goldeneye.
Aye, don't want to see any stupid Western FPS games on the Rev...
And even so you make my point for me. Goldeneye was a breath of fresh air to the FPS genre. And it was revolutionary in it's use of an analogue device - in fact two analogue devices.
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Registered 16 years agoBlerk wrote:
I'm seeing a bit of a flaw in Nintendo's plan, here.
If interest from non-gamey groups starts to rise when the Rev appears, surely all it takes to blow them completely out of the water is for Sony to come up with a wand-a-like controller for the PS2 that 1 in 2 households already owns?
Because they are going after the 1 in 2 households that don't own one?
The 1 in 2 thing is probably a bit of an overstatement, anyway. Average household size will be well below 4 and plenty of the things will have broken over the last 5 years.
@ Furbs Goldeneye was genius, and a lot of FPSs remain good but the genre is becoming increasingly oriented to connesieurs and enthusiasts and has more and more rigid conventions. -
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Registered 16 years agosilentbob wrote:
I think we're definitely on the same page in this respect.
When you mentioned "No hyper real WW2 shooters" I smiled, because for me that is precisely the typ eof game I don't want from a console, least of all a Nintendo console.
Something I've been thinking about is the back-catalogue downloads, though; I can't see this as being a big selling point to parents, because it's a bit too techie and a bit too abstract. It's certainly not something you can easily explain in a small blurb next to the console in Dixons, so I think this functionality will be lost on a lot of people (parents especially). -
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Registered 18 years agosilentbob wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
Widely - meaning you and the people in your house? It most certainly is not anywhere else.
And the game widely considered to be the best ever released on a Nintendo machine was...
Goldeneye.
Aye, don't want to see any stupid Western FPS games on the Rev...
And even so you make my point for me. Goldeneye was a breath of fresh air to the FPS genre. And it was revolutionary in it's use of an analogue device - in fact two analogue devices.
Edited by silentbob at 15:21:38 30-03-2006
Is that so?
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Registered 16 years agoTeeth wrote:
Did I dream it or was there recently a news story on exactly that - a wand for PS2 that Sony are working on?
Yea they are. It was still in the 'Gold tacky and a bit shit really' prototype stage when it was revealed but it most definately is in production. -
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Registered 16 years agosilentbob wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
And the game widely considered to be the best ever released on a Nintendo machine was...
Goldeneye.
Widely - meaning you and the people in your house? It most certainly is not anywhere else.
In Dirtbox's top 100 as voted for by EG regulards (thanks again for doing that mate!) Goldeneye topped the chart by a HUGE margin.
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Registered 16 years agosilentbob wrote:
EG forumites voted it the best game of all time
Khanivor wrote:
Widely - meaning you and the people in your house? It most certainly is not anywhere else.
And the game widely considered to be the best ever released on a Nintendo machine was...
Goldeneye.
Aye, don't want to see any stupid Western FPS games on the Rev...
Dammit! I've been olded :S ;D
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Registered 17 years agoBlerk wrote:
I'm seeing a bit of a flaw in Nintendo's plan, here.
If interest from non-gamey groups starts to rise when the Rev appears, surely all it takes to blow them completely out of the water is for Sony to come up with a wand-a-like controller for the PS2 that 1 in 2 households already owns?
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Registered 18 years agoBlerk wrote:
I'm seeing a bit of a flaw in Nintendo's plan, here.
If interest from non-gamey groups starts to rise when the Rev appears, surely all it takes to blow them completely out of the water is for Sony to come up with a wand-a-like controller for the PS2 that 1 in 2 households already owns?
No, they have to come up with a wand that works as well as the Nintendo, patents may cause problems there. And then they have to come up with the games aswell. Nintendo are masters of game design, and this should not be forgotten.
I do agree that Sony, and MS, could take some of this new market and exploit it for themseleves with copied hardware. But your still assuming that this is going to be a graphicaly inferior machine, and theres still NOTHING to indicate that. These "leaked" specs say nothing, same with the 2 to 3 times more powerfull statement.
I think its fine to discuss stratergy, but to discuss the machine, and its relative graphical power compared to PS3 and X360, when so little is know as fact is pointless IMO. -
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Registered 19 years agoThe_Aardvark wrote:
silentbob wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
And the game widely considered to be the best ever released on a Nintendo machine was...
Goldeneye.
Widely - meaning you and the people in your house? It most certainly is not anywhere else.
In Dirtbox's top 100 as voted for by EG regulards (thanks again for doing that mate!) Goldeneye topped the chart by a HUGE margin.
Edited by The_Aardvark at 15:25:55 30-03-2006
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Registered 16 years agoThe_Aardvark wrote:
Apologies, I didn't have time to go into a detailed breakdown of the number of households in the USA. But doing a very rough estimate was better than saying "the population of the USA is 300 million, so that means nintendo are going to sell 260 million consolez!!!111"
The 1 in 2 thing is probably a bit of an overstatement, anyway. Average household size will be well below 4 and plenty of the things will have broken over the last 5 years.
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Registered 16 years agosilentbob wrote:
Did anyone read the rest of my post?
No. Should I?
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Registered 18 years agoI pwn j00 all, with linking to boot.
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gamingdave wrote:
I didn't mention the power of the hardware!
No, they have to come up with a wand that works as well as the Nintendo, patents may cause problems there. And then they have to come up with the games aswell. Nintendo are masters of game design, and this should not be forgotten.
I do agree that Sony, and MS, could take some of this new market and exploit it for themseleves with copied hardware. But your still assuming that this is going to be a graphicaly inferior machine, and theres still NOTHING to indicate that. These "leaked" specs say nothing, same with the 2 to 3 times more powerfull statement.
I think its fine to discuss stratergy, but to discuss the machine, and its relative graphical power compared to PS3 and X360, when so little is know as fact is pointless IMO..gif)
Given the group of people they're trying to attract, surely if they find the concept interesting they'll be more likely to invest in a £30 'game and wand' bundle for the machine that their kid already has sitting under the telly than shell out for a brand new machine?
The type of people being targetted wouldn't know the difference between a 'good peripheral' and a 'bad peripheral' anyway, they'd purely see the cost.
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Registered 19 years agoI'm trying to work out when Goldeneye became w hackneyed WW2 hyper realistic shooter. ;P
Fair cop RE Goldeneye popularity though - as I said however another example of a Nintendo exlusive blowing everything else out of the water for originality and playability. -
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Registered 19 years agofrod wrote:
Yup but only if those visuals offer the opportunity to develop something exciting in gameplay terms - otherwise you have a pretty tech demo. And we're back to square one.
silentbob wrote:
No. More memory, more processing, offers more opportunities.
I think what has been said in this thread so far is quite telling. Gameplay is becoming secondary to visuals and feature sets. -
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Registered 18 years agoBlerk, I agree I suppose. Yes they would spend £30 on the bundle instead of £130 on the new machine. But this new market isnt their only one. I know lots of people who are interested in the Rev and havent owned a game machine for years. I also know people who have PS2s, and are planning to get PS3s, but aslo a Rev.
I wasnt refering directly to you about the graphics either
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Registered 19 years agofrod wrote:
Erm, my point is you must still have the original idea. Technical specifications do not equal innovation in themselves. None of the new games have acheived this.
silentbob wrote:
Supposition. At least the option is there.
frod wrote:
Yup but only if those visuals offer the opportunity to develop something exciting in gameplay terms - otherwise you have a pretty tech demo. And we're back to square one.
silentbob wrote:
No. More memory, more processing, offers more opportunities.
I think what has been said in this thread so far is quite telling. Gameplay is becoming secondary to visuals and feature sets. -
I'll be very interested to see how many people who are singing the praises of the Rev actually go out and buy one. I seem to remember a similar level of interest in the Cube and then... nothing! Well... hardly anything. -
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Registered 18 years agosilentbob wrote:
Yup but only if those visuals offer the opportunity to develop something exciting in gameplay terms - otherwise you have a pretty tech demo. And we're back to square one.
But more power isn't only about shiny graphics, even if things such as dynamic lighting can probably be used in very innovative ways. Things such as proper physics and AI, that have huge gameplay potential, are also dependant on increasing power.
I imagine that a controller such as the Revolution wand in combination with Havok physics could provide some interesting opportunities, for instance.
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Registered 16 years agoBlerk wrote:
By the same token, the number of people calling the DS a 'gimmick'. Then all of a sudden, it's selling like shit-off-a-shovel.
I'll be very interested to see how many people who are singing the praises of the Rev actually go out and buy one. I seem to remember a similar level of interest in the Cube and then... nothing! Well... hardly anything.
Any why? Oooo... Maybe it was the games?!?!?! -
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Registered 16 years agoBlerk wrote:
I'll be very interested to see how many people who are singing the praises of the Rev actually go out and buy one. I seem to remember a similar level of interest in the Cube and then... nothing! Well... hardly anything.
I think the forumites are pretty committed to this AND the cube. But we're all pretty hardcore on here. It's not people like us that make or break a console its Johnny Chav-Face down the road (or in the case of the Revolution, his nan). -
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Registered 16 years agoPike wrote:
Yeah, Doom 3 was *so* much better because of the lighting! ;P
silentbob wrote:
Yup but only if those visuals offer the opportunity to develop something exciting in gameplay terms - otherwise you have a pretty tech demo. And we're back to square one.
But more power isn't only about shiny graphics, even if things such as dynamic lighting can probably be used in very innovative ways. -
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Registered 18 years agoCarlo wrote:
Pike wrote:
Yeah, Doom 3 was *so* much better because of the lighting! ;P
silentbob wrote:
Yup but only if those visuals offer the opportunity to develop something exciting in gameplay terms - otherwise you have a pretty tech demo. And we're back to square one.
But more power isn't only about shiny graphics, even if things such as dynamic lighting can probably be used in very innovative ways.
Well, it was the *only* thing that felt slightly new about that game. -
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Registered 16 years agofrod wrote:
True, I see your point there frod
Carlo wrote:
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Pike wrote:
Yeah, Doom 3 was *so* much better because of the lighting! ;P
silentbob wrote:
Yup but only if those visuals offer the opportunity to develop something exciting in gameplay terms - otherwise you have a pretty tech demo. And we're back to square one.
But more power isn't only about shiny graphics, even if things such as dynamic lighting can probably be used in very innovative ways.
(Well, I see your point when I have my flashlight selected)
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Registered 20 years agoIF more power and pretty lights mean naff all to gamers and the peopel Ninty is supposedly going to try and appeal to then please, someone, tell me why they don't just re-release the SNES for a fiver? Or the Cube for 40 quid? Oh... -
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Registered 16 years agofrod wrote:
ecosse_011172 wrote:
Yep. Probably wanted to play the next Goldeneye, then found that all they got was blue skies crap.
Blerk wrote:
I'll be very interested to see how many people who are singing the praises of the Rev actually go out and buy one. I seem to remember a similar level of interest in the Cube and then... nothing! Well... hardly anything.
Didn't the cube get off to a great start, it took a while before it started to struggle iirc?
No it was worse. Wanted to play Goldeneye ended up with Everything or Nothing.
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Registered 16 years agoTheBlackLodge wrote:
"The Revo's hardware will still be a year newer than the Xbox360's. Which tells me, if Nintendo uses good(alt.cheaper) hardware from 2006"
But, if what has been reported is true then it's not, it's essentially a speed bumped Gekko and Flipper with some extra Ram.
If, and so if that is true, I (aswell as others), will be mostly dissapointed. And so then they could have released it already. By all my means. Skipping the new "fancy" controller, and made it available to buy later on.
Because, if you think about it, Nintendo and ATI has put a lot of effort in the new graphics(so i've heard), and that would just bring down Nitendo, aswell as ATI's name in the dirt. -
Khanivor wrote:
I find it interesting how a complex argument can get distilled and crystalised. I already said technical visual innovation is important.
IF more power and pretty lights mean naff all to gamers and the peopel Ninty is supposedly going to try and appeal to then please, someone, tell me why they don't just re-release the SNES for a fiver? Or the Cube for 40 quid? Oh...
I was basically saying that I can't see a title on the 360 as yet which has managed this in my eyes. Lots of impressive incremental stuff but nothing earth shaking - along the lines of of Mario 64, Zelda, Gran Turismo, PSO .... etc I was hoping that the Revolution and PS3 will do so on or near to launch day.
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