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The TRUE PS3 graphics!! • Page 2
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jozz 4,871 posts
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Registered 16 years agoecureuil wrote:
jozz wrote:
So it was twice as powerful as the dreamcast was it?
The emotion engine would be able to render toy story like graphics would it (although MS also made this claim I think)?
Not really, but the PS2's graphics eventually surpassed those seen in the tech demo's. I mean, this is comparing like to like..
Like for like would be saying it's twice the machine the Dreamcast was and then actually achieveing that goal. Tech demos are irrelevant to whether a company comes through on its promises or not.
But this thread isn't about the PS2 so I'll make a quick exit and hope it'll veer back on course soon.gif)
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If a product is really good, it is generally very easy to sell, by adverting to the product and its actual performance directly. In the case of a console game, that is saying "Look, this is the kind of game we will have on our console".
If the product is not going to be all it's cracked up to be, generally there is a lot of advertisement to numers like clock speed and memory and whatnot.
Think back to the last/current generation. There was not really such a huge difference between the three consoles at the end of the day, despite the seemingly huge difference on paper... -
Teeth 7,987 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGod, it's going to be like this for the rest of the year isn't it :_( -
Syrette 51,181 posts
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Registered 19 years agoStormflood_UK wrote:
Did they really?
jozz wrote:
After all the false promises about the PS2 and it's still being done :/
Edited by jozz at 17:18:59 30-03-2006
What were those false promises? The PS2 achieved everything they said it would.... eventually.
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phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoTelepathic.Geometry wrote:
Err - yes there was.
Think back to the last/current generation. There was not really such a huge difference between the three consoles at the end of the day, despite the seemingly huge difference on paper...
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jozz 4,871 posts
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Registered 16 years agoHHHEEEYYYOOOO!!!
/zing
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phAge 25,487 posts
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phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agojozz wrote:
LOL! Dunno why - just a funny sound. Wazzitmean?
HHHEEEYYYOOOO!!!
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Stormflood_UK wrote:
Yes.
jozz wrote:
After all the false promises about the PS2 and it's still being done :/
Edited by jozz at 17:18:59 30-03-2006
What were those false promises? The PS2 achieved everything they said it would.... eventually.
We're all jacked into the Matrix enjoying our Toy Story-level graphics, downloading games, movies and music to our PS2 hard drives. -
frod wrote:
Interesting that you should say that, as the weakest console (from a graphical point of view) also sold the most units!
Yeah, there was a huge difference, about 75 million units or so..gif)
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phAge wrote:
Isn't that the noise that that really famous (in America) comedian makes? Followed either by a swing of a golf club or a drum solo or something?
jozz wrote:
LOL! Dunno why - just a funny sound. Wazzitmean?
HHHEEEYYYOOOO!!!
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urban 13,148 posts
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Registered 17 years agothe uk resistence is probably the biggest spinner of shite ever to hit the net. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoMore so then a Sony press release? -
urban wrote:
Especially since they faked those images to change people's impressions of what the PS3 will be capable of.
the uk resistence is probably the biggest spinner of shite ever to hit the net.
No, wait, that was Sony... -
York 8,667 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWeren't the new, "down to Earth," clips of Motorstorm shown at Sony's stand?
It's Sony themselves allowing these new clips to be shown, so if the first clips were a mock-up (did anyone even debate that?), then Sony have clearly dropped the charade. This isn't some huge exposé that Sony over-hyped the PS3's raw, heaving, sweaty, voluptuous, graphical power. -
Freek 7,682 posts
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Registered 18 years agoforeverafternothing wrote:
Stormflood_UK wrote:
Did they really?
jozz wrote:
After all the false promises about the PS2 and it's still being done :/
Edited by jozz at 17:18:59 30-03-2006
What were those false promises? The PS2 achieved everything they said it would.... eventually.
I can think of a couple of examples at best.
We had this topic before, examples were shown and yes the actaul games were better then the tech demos shown. Hell the GT demo they originally showed at the anouncement of the PS2 looks like absoulte dog shit to what GT3 was when it hit retail.
It was only the launch titles that dissapointed.
The whole OMG LIES! thing is totaly exadurated. It's something the industrie in general gets up to, let us not forget the Madden Footage for 360 and variouse other target videos.
But that's all they are: target videos. They are there to give you an indication of what the game will eventaully be, something the team is aiming for.
The hype that brings is totaly up to the person who sees it, thinking that the games is going to look exactly like that will set you up for dissapointment.
But these are trade shows and most journalists known what target videos are and how to interprate them: a taste of things to come, not literal reality or promise.
UK:R is just doing it's typical thing; exadurate and scream for the sake of humor. When in reality the people who were at GDC were verry impressed with the Motor Storm demo. The ground deformation, the mud splattering it was all there.
Now obviously some shoddy cam picture isn't going to capture that.
Or the recent Liar screenshot posted elsewhere, also looking verry impressive. or the real time Metal Gear 4 footage.
If you take all that into acount, along with developer talk that the 360 and PS3 are closely matched, the fact that launch titles usually dissapoint. And you get the feeling that the next generation of consoles will indeed be verry close to what was inntially anounced in terms of visuals.
And a year from now we'll just be playing those games instead of moaning about the usual E3 hype.
Ironicly those discusions usually go with as much exaduration, only in negative form about how everybody lied to you. When the reality is that the games do infact look fantastic.
Or in short: can we all please take a chill pill?
Edited by Freek at 18:38:46 30-03-2006 -
York wrote:
With considerably less fanfare.
Weren't the new, "down to Earth," clips of Motorstorm shown at Sony's stand?
Sony know that the press and the fanboys will hold onto the original images as what it *will* look like, not just a bullshot video.
I'll ask the workmen finishing off my kitchen and my brother-in-law. A good £100 bet that they either won't have seen the new shots or, if they have, they don't matter and the game will look like the original video when it's properly finished.
It's the old Daily Mail tactic: get the bullshit headline out there to grab people's attention and then print a tiny retraction buried amongst everything else when they have to.
I'm saying this as someone who saw them do all of this before a few times, but I know that eventually devs will produce an absolute belter of a game which will make the machine essential to me, just like the PS2. -
Freek wrote:
At least someone gets them!
UK:R is just doing it's typical thing; exadurate and scream for the sake of humor. -
tingletanglebob 330 posts
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Registered 16 years agoYeah this definetly looks more realistically true to what the ps3 is actually capable of, theres been a lot of graphics designers saying its extremely hard to get impressive looking games out of the machine. -
frod wrote:
/Puts yoghurt back in the fridge
As fake as my orgasms. -
York 8,667 posts
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Registered 17 years agofrod wrote:
disc will catch the meaning of this, I take it?
As fake as my orgasms.
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tingletanglebob 330 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI just think a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if they are expecting the games to be the detail of the prerendered sequences sony are showing.
You should be going by this screenshot as to actually what to expect games to look like, if you go by sonys prerendered footage your bound to be dissapointed when you get one and play it. -
Freek 7,682 posts
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Registered 18 years agofrod wrote:
As fake as my orgasms.
Neither real nor fake. It was a video to anounce the existance of the game. It was about telling the world a new R&C game was being made, but only through hints and atmosphere, not showing the game itself or even the title. Since it was probably not far enough along for that.
It may have verry well used actaul game assets but we don't really know yet.
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tingletanglebob 330 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThats fair enough that they wanted to promote the game but it was very deceiving to a lot of people and suggested that this is what the games are going to look like, which is unfair when people see these adverts then buy it expecting games to look like that then being underwhelmed.
For ages ive looked through forums and there were people that were convinced that the prerenders were the graphics and they are buying the machine based on misleading information. -
York 8,667 posts
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Registered 17 years agodisc wrote:
Which is a disappointment. With a year's difference, I'd have thought the PS3 would have something to show for it.
No what you should do is take a look at a Xbox 360 game and then you know exactly what to expect from the PS3.
Slew of similar looking multi-platform games for the loss
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tingletanglebob 330 posts
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Registered 16 years agoYeah I agree with the 360 games thing, the ps3 and 360 are very similar performance wise so if you were to look at games like ghost recon advance warfighter, oblivion and fight night round 3 then this would be a true representation of graphics which would be found on ps3 -
Early GT3 shot for comparison purposes
And another one
I wonder if it's more naive to think the E3 trailers were real, or that the final game will look like the second shot.
Edited by UncleLou at 19:03:19 30-03-2006 -
tingletanglebob wrote:
Yeah I agree with the 360 games thing, the ps3 and 360 are very similar performance wise so if you were to look at games like ghost recon advance warfighter, oblivion and fight night round 3 then this would be a true representation of graphics which would be found on ps3
Still launch titles (or around launch) though. Brothers in Arms 3 and MGS 4 is probably much more represtative of what is achievable once devs get thier heads round the hardware.
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