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Wii drum
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Tonka 31,980 posts
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Could be something from Wii Music? -
York 8,667 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThank goodness games like Mario Galaxy are around to remind me that the entire Wii catalogue won't just be on par with Eyetoy games. -
Tonka 31,980 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAs a controller demo I think this one is pretty impressive. I wouldn't buy it though. -
I might if it was £20 and had plenty of other similar things with it. -
KingOfSpain 5,344 posts
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Registered 17 years agobut just think what could be done if this and guitar hero were to merge. Co-op would be amazing. One on the drums the other on guitar...now thats cool -
djchump 4,463 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSeeing how much I love Guitar Hero and have always wanted to play the drums in a Clyde Stubblefield/Zig Modeliste/Buddy Rich kinda way, this looks fucking ace!
Obviously it's just a tech demo at the moment, but if they can doa "Drum Hero" game I'd definitely buy it - as the tech demo there is 2 player simultaneous I'd love to see the durm battle tunes like in the Micheal Viner's Incredible Bongo Band album and, erm... that surf tune that I forget the name of :-/
Still - very cool tech demo - Cheers for the link Tonka! :-D -
Holy Fuck!!! This is like the third Wii thing I missed today. I'm definitely slipping. Guitar Hero 2 too will have an extra co-op mode where you can have a mate playing rhythm guitar or bass. I think I see 4-player action on the horizon!!! Though, much as I love Guitar Hero, (and I do), this would be even better as it would be virtually real... /Salivates -
Bunda 5,246 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI'm a drummer.
This looks cool, although one of the major skills in drumming is the double-stroke roll. That's when you let the stick bounce and then hit again, so it's like this:
L = Hit left
l = Bounce hit left
R = Hit right
r = Bounce hit right
LlRrLlRrLlRrLlRr... etc
So without the capability to bounce, it's hard to do amazing drum solos like you see people doing.
But you can try. -
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DaveT 309 posts
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That's fair enough DaveT, I used to play drums too, so I agree whole-heartedly. But I think the point is that Guitar Hero was not designed for guitar players, but rather for non-guitar-savvy gamers who wanted to feel like guitar heroes. And it succeeded. I imagine that a guitar player would hate it (well, maybe not, but the appeal would have to be way down).
Similarly for Wii Drums, a drummer will feel that it's just plain wrong. Although, with two Wii-motes and two nunchuks (I know, I'm upping the stakes here), two of which are strapped to your feet, you might be in business!.gif)
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DaveT 309 posts
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Well, all I can say is that as you get to Hard mode on Guitar Hero, (and I do not speak of Expert level, which is just beyond me), yuo do start to feel two things:
1) You'll want to learn to play guitar;
2) You'll think that you'd be okay at it.
As far as the drums thing goes, as a proper drummer, I suspect that you're probably in the worst (or best, don't know which) position to give a meaningful review of a drumming sim. Sure try Guitar Hero and report back. It's a great game... -
gerg 880 posts
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Registered 17 years agoHere's what Harmonix had to say on it:
The Wiire: …what type of peripherals could you see if there was a Guitar Hero game for Wii down the line? In addition, could you see a Guitar Hero attachment even working with the Wii Remote?
Kay: …I guess you could do that for some advanced tilt type mechanisms, it’s got all that advanced movement and rotation data, so maybe we could use that for when you lift your guitar up, your avatar in game, he’s doing the exact same thing as you. Yeah, you can totally imagine it as being an awesome way to play. And also the fact that it’s got a speaker. That is huge. Absolutely huge. I can see that being a feature with music games.
The Wiire: Would it be fair to say that Guitar Hero is not just limited to being a Sony published type of game?
Kay: Guitar Hero is not limited to Sony. It is not an exclusive title, and there is not a deal with Sony or anything like that. Red Octane decided to release Guitar Hero for Playstation 2 because that was the biggest installed user base. That was the only reason.
The Wiire: Do you see the potential of there being a Guitar Hero guitar that has a universal USB attachment? We know that all the new consoles have USB ports, perhaps a Wii version could have an extra drummer, while other players use the USB guitars?
Kay: That’s a great question. I know that we have discussed and talked about as things move forward, and more people get involved in this space; there is the potential that more and more of the peripherals that come out wont work with each other. So somebody may release lets say, a saxophone game, and another company releases a saxophone game, and both their saxophones would only work with each respective game. We don’t want a situation like that. Really, the music game genre should be nourishing. You know, like Konami - I don’t consider them out competitors; they are our collaborators in terms of getting people together to play music. Guitar Freaks, Guitar Hero, great! The more guitar games there are out there getting people psyched about playing guitar or playing musical instruments, the better for all of us. -
MrWorf 64,193 posts
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Registered 20 years agoWow! Sounds very interesting! Only time will tell, hopefully we'll see something before 2007.
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djchump 4,463 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDaveT wrote:
A game and actually learning to play an instrument are currently two quite different things - but I'd love to see the day when a game like Guitar Hero could actually be used to *teach* me how to play real guitar!
As I said
"As a game, it may work. But as something that even vaguely resembles playing drums, no chance."
Essentially, if you enjoy this game, try a drum kit, it's 1000x better.
the feeling you get during a good band jam is, IMO, unequaled.
*g*
As for guitar hero, I don't know, haven't tried it. (Also a guitarist. And a bassist, along with a bit of moonlighting on keyboard and ukulele) but would imagine it would 'feel' a bit better.
I love games, but I have quite a short attention span and frustration threshold, so I don't really have the patience and dedication to learn a real instrument.
Ironically, I have plenty of patience and dedication when playing games. I have put many hours into Guitar Hero and I'm on the last 3 songs on Expert Mode.gif)
The essential difference between playing Guitar Hero and playing an actual guitar is the videogame structure around your performance - you are rewarded with points and visual/audio feedback when you do something correclty. At the end of the performance you are rated and can see your improvement. I guess a decent guitar teacher may be a similar kind of thing - but for me it's all about the reward structure.
Also - it's a lot easier than playing an actual guitar as you can't play the wrong note - it just misses the note if you do. When I was trying to learn real guitar and I hit the wrong notes it sounds crap and as it's out loud and the missus can hear, it's embarrassing and discouraging. With a game like Guitar Hero, pretty much all you get is *encouragement* - that's why I stuck with it and enjoy it so much!
Another major reward in Guitar Hero is that it has great songs that I know and love and it makes me feel as if I can play them, even on the easy level! That's something that playing a real instrument just can't do.
Anyway, depending on the game structure they strap around the Wii Drum tech demo and, quite importantly, if it has any famous songs included that it teaches you, I think I'll really enjoy it. I'll certainly enjoy it much morethan just sitting in front of a drum kit on my own making an awful noise and trying to teach myself to play. -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agodjchump wrote:
but I'd love to see the day when a game like Guitar Hero could actually be used to *teach* me how to play real guitar!
This surely has to be in the works. It's a great idea. I have far too short an attention span and am too easily bored to play the guitar - I've tried and I've tried the bass guitar too. I, for one, would buy a game that could help me. -
York 8,667 posts
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Registered 17 years agodjchump wrote:
I don't know how feasable that is, but surely it would be possible to have a game like Drum Hero, which could teach you to play electric drums?
but I'd love to see the day when a game like Guitar Hero could actually be used to *teach* me how to play real guitar!
I mean, the controller would just be one of these, but cheaper, and plugged into your PS2.
That'd be nice. -
DaveT 309 posts
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djchump 4,463 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDaveT wrote:
I've been planning to code my own PC app or VST plugin to do some form of piano-training game. I bought a MIDI keyboard ages ago but never got round to learning to play it (story of my life
Agreed on the first point.
Second - Could easily be done, I suppose. Midi implementaions of guitars exist, and one could probably done very cheaply to exclusively be used with a console.
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) - but if I make it a game where I can't play the wrong notes, only miss the notes that I'm supposed to paly, then I might actually learn/practice/play the game :-D
Well it certainly *hurts* after about 30 minutes trying to play Cowboys From Hell or Bark at the Moon
From what I've heard, that kinda level of finger training is quite advanced. I'm impressed.
I've heard some guitar-players claim that playing the songs on Expert is harder than playing it on a real guitar, but I'm not sure how much truth there is to that
True, very true - I've always enjoyed music and DJed a little bit - I could always see how playing live and having a rocking out a crowd of people would be a great feeling, I just never had the patience to put in the hard work and practice
Ahh, but the reward for playing an instrument is the ability to produce something that sounds really cool while having a lot of fun
It's harder work, but the reward is so much more. To this day, nothing has beaten the rush of playing live. It has to be experienced to be believed. I can't see anyone getting that from guitar hero or wii drum.
Guitar Hero lets me vicariously live that dream with (initially) minimal effort.
Although, me and my mates took up skating after playing the original Tony Hawks game to death so I reckon you'll see a lot of punters go on from Guitar Hero to actually learning to paly guitar - it's certainly made me think about getting the old acoustic out a fair few times, but I still haven't got round to it, I just load up Guitar Hero again :-D
Oh definitely - you certainly won't be able to reach this level of speed/skill with Wiimotes. I'm not even sure how you'd do a basic snare roll with Wiimotes as that needs the drumstick to bounce off the skin of the drum.
It took me about an hour of teaching myself the drums to get beyond 'embarrasingly bad' It did help that I'd been practicing on various non sound making items (cushions) with drum sticks in preparation, mind.
The bottom line is: it'll probably be fun. It'll probably feel like drumming to people who haven't drummed before. But avoid if you have. (And also, the songs will probably not get that hard, as as I said in my original post, it's impossible to get speed without a surface to hit on, and the grip which you'll get on the remote will lead to strain injuries if you try.)
However, after seeing the old soul drummers on "Keepintime" and people like Buddy Rich on [link=http://www.drummerworld.com/">Drummerworld (who, apparently, never had a formal lesson in his life but taught himself to -
BTW,
Possibly the greatest drum battle of all time: Buddy Rich vs. Animal
Street drumming skills with sitcks and buckets - if I saw him busking he'd get a bunch of cash from me
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) - but if I make it a game where I can't play the wrong notes, only miss the notes that I'm supposed to paly, then I might actually learn/practice/play the game :-D
It's harder work, but the reward is so much more. To this day, nothing has beaten the rush of playing live. It has to be experienced to be believed. I can't see anyone getting that from guitar hero or wii drum.Sometimes posts may contain links to online retail stores. If you click on one and make a purchase we may receive a small commission. For more information, go here.
