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Apparently, Nintendo have been putting up Wii demo stations/press conferences in Europe for the gaming press to try, ranging from Spain to the UK. Here are some of the impressions: Entertainment Wise article Cubed article Game article |
UK loves the Wii
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Toonster 6,930 posts
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wii-jimmy 24 posts
Registered 15 years agoI can feel the love. 
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Dirtbox 92,596 posts
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Albundy's gonna quit gaming as soon as we are all in full virtual body suits, and we can upload Kung Fu directly into our cortexes for gaming purposes, Matrix style. -
SirScratchalot 7,921 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThe ignore button, it makes the forum one hell of a strange place sometimes... and good find on the linkies! -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoLook everyone, it's albundy! Quick, let's begin the insults!
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoHold on, man, I'm on your side!
Sorry, there should have been a smiley in there. I'm one of the few people that actually reads your stuff, and finds it interesting. I find other people's reaction to it more amusing, honestly.
So yeah. I agree with you. I'm not too enthused about the Wii, but then, I don't really care about any of the next gen consoles right now. -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWell, I don't know that the Wii is going to be a gimmick. It will probably have a stage when you see a lot of "gimmicky" games. The DS was like that for a while, but now it has come good.
At any rate, I think it will be more of a success than the GC was. It's hard to judge it in the same way, though, because Nintendo don't seem to want to be judged in competition with Microsoft and Sony. That's never really happened before, so the whole criteria for judging their "success" is going to change. -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWhen I say that the DS has "come good", I'm not saying that all the games on it are unique and can't be done on other systems. What I mean is that the developers eventually realised that they don't have to shoehorn the stylus into every game, just because it's there. The developers have found ways to incorporate the unique features of the DS, without necessarily basing whole games around them.
Even if the stylus doesn't get used, the second screen is always very handy. Especially in RPG/adventure games, where I often found it annoying to interrupt my gameplay to have a look at my inventory screen, or at the game map. The second screen lets me look at both at the same time. It's not exactly groundbreaking, but not every game needs to be.
In the case of the Wii, I think it may go through a stage of gimmickry, with developers trying to build whole games around the motion sensing. Like Project HAMMER, for example, which is just you using the wand to wave a hammer around for a while. Once these things have been tested and tried, once developers find out what works and what doesn't, you'll start to see some games where the unique features enhance the game that is already there, instead of being the foundation of the game itself. -
Toonster 6,930 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWoah! A proper and gentle conversation about gaming on EG. Someone get the tranqs! -
SlackMaster 3,156 posts
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Registered 17 years agoTelepathic.Geometry wrote:
Albundy's gonna quit gaming as soon as we are all in full virtual body suits...
Al Bundy? Isn't he the guy from Married with Children? :s -
albundy wrote:
I've got a tidal wave of Xbox games left to finish and buy, and they will keep me more than busy for the next year.....
My analysis of the three machines is as follows:
Xbox 360 - Badly rushed to market, with some serious design flaws. I'm not touching it until they update its CPU in January, plug in the HDMI connector, and get a HD-DVD drive inside that thing (awaiting confirmation, of course.....)
PlayStation 3 - Overhyped, over-priced, bloated with unnecessary tech, shrouded in a web of lies, will most likely be less than the sum of its parts, leaking exclusives like it's going out of fashion, with a poor controller (due to placement of the left thumbstick)
Wii - My post above says it all! A gimmick. Inevitable recycling of the same old cartoon characters, doomed to poor third party support next to the Big 2. Could be an unfriendly platform for traditional genres
And that's pretty much what I think of that. My Xbox is more than enough for now.
And that's pretty much me too. I don't know whether I'm going to do it again next generation. There's so much that alienates me, like the HD thing, and the online thing that they're shoving down our throats. To me, that is so open to abuse from the games companies, that I really don't want to be involved.
I'm not quite so negative about the merits of the Wii as Al is, and I do still find the 360 an appealing console in spite of it's flaws, but there's still lots of reasons to just not even bother next time. Gaming's just not been the same since the Dreamcast died. -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe Dreamcast hasn't died! -
quedex 3,135 posts
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Registered 17 years agoalbundy wrote:
So you want the 360 to get the same bits that make the PS3 "bloated with unnecessary tech"? And I'm guessing you want MS to do that without putting up the price as well? Sony will have dropped their price before that happens...
Xbox 360 - Badly rushed to market, with some serious design flaws. I'm not touching it until they update its CPU in January, plug in the HDMI connector, and get a HD-DVD drive inside that thing (awaiting confirmation, of course.....)
PlayStation 3 - Overhyped, over-priced, bloated with unnecessary tech, shrouded in a web of lies, will most likely be less than the sum of its parts, leaking exclusives like it's going out of fashion, with a poor controller (due to placement of the left thumbstick).gif)
Oh, and can someone explain to me the problem with the left stick on the Dual Shock controller? I'm not having a go at you in particular, but I've seen lots of people say the same thing and it baffles me. OK, so it's not in the same place as the XBox or GC, but it's still just as comfortable to use. I wish they would carve a little dip out of the top of both sticks for your thumb to rest in, but they're fine where they are. -
For me, I don't think it's so much the positioning of the sticks (though some don't like it), but more the dead area when using the analogues. You have to push the stick quite a bit before it registers any movement on screen. Okay for some games, not so good for others that require careful movement.
I used to have a PS2 and I did notice it, and since having a GC and now an Xbox, for me both those controllers were more responsive than the Dualshock. I loved the PS2 though, and didn't really have any complaints. You get used to any controller really don't you? Not only that, but apparently they've fixed the sensitivity for version 3. -
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myk 796 posts
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Registered 16 years agoalbundy wrote:
This hypestorm about the touchscreen revolution is a smokescreen. Most games only use it as a map, or as a pointer and clicker.
I'd rather buy a system that has the option of it's control device being a pointer or clicker than one that obsesses about a joypad to keep the 'level playing field' of one genre. The Wii will (afaik) be able to use the GC joypad, but I think Nintendo needed to make a fuss about the Wii-mote to get developers to think about what control system they are going to use rather than just churn out the same old control systems. It's all very well saying that the touchscreen didn't sell the DS, but the touchscreen has at least forced developers to consider whether they're going to use it or not. -
yiannis 308 posts
Registered 18 years agoalbundy wrote:
Casual gamers need encouragement with simple controls, yes. But at what cost to more advanced forms of gaming? I simply remain sceptical as to how the Wiimote could possibly handle a game of Splinter Cell or Ninja Gaiden's complexity.
And later he wrote:
...This hypestorm about the touchscreen revolution is a smokescreen. Most games only use it as a map, or as a pointer and clicker.
I hope you are joking... Cost to more advanced forms? there's only Gain there man not cost. Wii IS a more advanced form of gaming. If gaming to you is only graphics (game artist talking here) then you should possibly rethink your definition of Gaming. As for Splinter Cell and all, some people seam to forget that you can use your old gamecube controllers for Wii. and there are also Wii controllers for even more basic forms of gameplay back from the 8-16-32bit era.
The fact that focus is put (and rightly so) on the innovative controls of Wii from nintendo and the media give the false impression that the Wiimote is the only way to control your games on Wii.
About DS. Do you own a DS and which games have you played?
The touchscreen is not there to be used for every game fully. Simply some game designs benefit from its use and you can play games in a way you simply CAN'T play in ANY OTHER console home or portable so far.
Edited by yiannis at 13:46:08 12-07-2006 -
Kostabi 5,926 posts
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Registered 16 years agoBut does Nintendo love the UK? -
Goban 10,121 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIt makes me happy that Nintendo are actually getting their marketing efforts going well before release, and hopefully increasing awareness with the masses.
It'll be good for gaming if the Wii is a success. -
albundy wrote:
That's not to say that I'm going off gaming! Hell no!! I'm still really enjoying it. Playing through Jade empire at the minute. Not really gotten far, due to committments and the like, but I'm having a lot of fun with it. My stance is simply that I don't see the next generation as being vital right now, that's all. My current games are keeping me more than entertained, and there's a lot on the Xbox that I've yet to sample. I don't need to be rushing out and buying new consoles right away, just to keep up with the Jones'!
If it wasn't for recently getting an Xbox myself, I would've given up on gaming, but luckily I too have found a lot to enjoy on it (including Jade Empire), so selling the GC turned out well for me.
But what I'm trying to say is that I suddenly find the next generation quite a daunting place, even though I've been a gamer for over 20 years. It's not a switchover I'm particularly relishing, and to be honest I'm considering not bothering at all and just sticking with my Xbox and DC until I just don't care anymore. Even the friendly face of Nintendo looks very cynical to me, as the online "thing" takes hold.
All the major companies are going to take such advantage of gamers in the years to come, on so many different levels, and I'm not sure I fancy it. -
Goban 10,121 posts
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Registered 16 years agoTake advantage of gamers ?
edit: 1 short sentence and i still can't spell
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Goban wrote:
Take advatage of gamers ?
Well, yeah. The internet is a great way to rake in lots and lots of cash for a great deal of nothing, and I reckon they'll all take advantage of stuff like "premium" content etc to the fullest. Not only that, but releasing games that are unfinished, and patching them later is going to be more of an issue than ever before in the years to come, mark my words.
All the while, we'll be funding it. Microsoft at least has proven as much with Windows, by letting it's customers be the beta testers of it's software, and I can see them all doing this to some extent in the future.
Maybe I'm wrong, but either way it's really not for me. -
yiannis 308 posts
Registered 18 years agoalbundy wrote:
My brother owns a DS, and I plan on getting a Lite. And what you say about the touchscreen, I just don't see. If you're definition of exclusive DS gaming is being able to drag a character efficiently across a map using the stylus, rather than using the slightly less intuitive control stick, then good for you.
As for the Gamecube controller, that's even worse. The question will then become, which will developers use, when they want to put Fifa on the Wii?
....And even odd-ones-out, like Metroid, are only using the stylus to replicate the action of a mouse or control stick.
... What then for the wiimote? Will the scale of its achievements be conducting orchestras and banging drums and playing tennis? Of course, neither you nor I have the answer, and only time will tell.
Have you played Another Code Two Memories? Which games have you played?
You say odd ones like metroid "using the stylus"? "to replicate"? tell me you are not using te stylus to play metroid or better that you've never played .
Because if you had you would know by now that it doesn't try to replicate. the correct wording would be :
"It achieves the action of a mouse by using the touchpad controls." And very well i might add. Switching weapons on the fly never felt so natural.
Are you saying that the way you're moving a character/object from one point to the other doesn't make a difference? Because that is all about gaming. From Chess to HalfLife.
You make yourself sound like a narrowminded shortsighted person.You probably believe that because you don't get it nobody else does.Remember this is the job of designers.People who typically tend to "get" more things than the average gamer.
But they are human too, sometimes they need to make one game to get better ideas about the next.
The question of which controller you will use does not fall on you. This is a basic Design Decision. Hopefully every developer will chose the way or ways of control that will benefit their game most.
Not everybody can become a game designer you know it's a difficult thing.Embracing every change and see how it affects your gameplay is easier said than done.
The negative impact of mods is that they give the false impression even to the most ignorant of gamers that they could easily design 10 games in the time needed by actual developers. Same as people watching the filming of a movie in dvd extras and think they can be directors.
Unlike what you think though, while i'm quite confident by your replies that you, have no idea, i very well can estimate how succesfull Wii will be. As someone who has some experience in game development and design i can see about a dozen of AAA titles that would greatly benefit by taking advantadge of this gaming revolution. And about a dozen and a half rebirths and new franchises as well.
DS just started growing fast. Developers are getting to know the system better. FF3 will take DS userbase to new heights. Just wait and see how this will unfold. I'm confident that Wii will get the same enthusiastic acceptance from people all over the world.
If anything DS has proven and very well indeed that true gameplay innovation is king. In Europe we tend to be a bit slow in sensing changes. We're a bit stuck with tradition. The next generation of DS games seams more tempting than ever. Do you still have doubts ?
Well if you still do what can I say.. you can't convince anyone if they don't want to. -
MrWorf 64,193 posts
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Registered 20 years agoGood points. Well made. -
thelastslice 17 posts
Registered 15 years agoThe Wii really is a lot more about gameplay options than just using a single form of gameplay. Which is why they're making so many ding-dang controllers. -
Goban 10,121 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI think pro evo with the Wiimote would be great. -
Pac-man-ate-my-wife 7,087 posts
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Registered 18 years agoalbundy wrote:
My only stance is that the touchpad has very little to do with it.
Go play Ouedan, Kirby's Cursed Canvas, Yoshi's Touch & Go, Meteos, Zoo Keeper, Pac-pix, Trauma Center, Brain Age etc. -
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