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The Wii has been positioned as a second console to own by both MS and Sony. No doubt pleasing Nintendo, second console for majority of both = top console overall etc. One thing which does concern me is not necessarily the lack of graphic oomph as such, but the standard def output. A reasonable number of people will have upgraded their TV's to hi-def, driven by the X360 and eventually PS3. The problem is that Standard Def stuff on a high def display looks worse in a lot of respects than on a Standard Def display. This will be worse depending on what sort of TV you ended up buying. The cheaper hi-def TV's will have less capable scaling hardware. So is there any chance at all Wii will ever output hi-def or are there hardware reasons which rule it out? |
Possible problem with Wii being positioned as a "second" console
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DrDamn 1,216 posts
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richardiox 10,099 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWii will output at 480p over component so, as far as I can gather, will still look very nice on a HD set. -
gizmo 2,100 posts
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Registered 19 years agoIts a very good point, and I think Nintendo have dropped a bit of a clanger here. When I plug any SD source into my HD screen after playing on the 360 it really does look poor. No other way to describe it. But then I expect that of the 'old' xbox, ps2 etc. The problem is, if I'd just shelled for a brand new Wii, and it looks poor, thats a problem.
Edit: Didn't realise it did 480p, but even this looks relatively poor on a large HD screen (50" in this case, which may sway my view)
Edited by gizmo at 12:57:24 31-07-2006 -
Sid-Nice 15,848 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDrDamn wrote:
The Wii will use the 480p resolution; I have a Panasonic Q running at 480p on a 50" Samsung HDTV. Resident Evil 4 looks a hell of a lot better than Prey.
The Wii has been positioned as a second console to own by both MS and Sony. No doubt pleasing Nintendo, second console for majority of both = top console overall etc.
One thing which does concern me is not necessarily the lack of graphic oomph as such, but the standard def output. A reasonable number of people will have upgraded their TV's to hi-def, driven by the X360 and eventually PS3. The problem is that Standard Def stuff on a high def display looks worse in a lot of respects than on a Standard Def display.
This will be worse depending on what sort of TV you ended up buying. The cheaper hi-def TV's will have less capable scaling hardware.
So is there any chance at all Wii will ever output hi-def or are there hardware reasons which rule it out?
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djchump 4,463 posts
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Registered 16 years agoWe've got cheapish HD TVs at work and the upscaling is pretty gash on them, so they do make SD signals look pretty crap.
TBH though - it's more an issue with buying the cheaper HD TVs than something Nintendo can do anything about :-/ -
Eighthours 713 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThe annoying thing is that you can be damn sure the Wii won't come bundled with a component cable. They'll probably be short of official ones for months. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agorhythm wrote:
ecosse_011172 wrote:
I know plenty of people have been very impressed with upscaled DVDs...
I'm one of 'em.gif)
Upscaled 480P (whether DVDs or Xbox) looks great on my 720P projector. It's just a shame I can't get a component connector for the GC for any reasonable price 
Upscaling of a DVD picture is a bit different in terms of what the picture is composed of. A 480p output of a console is full of straight lines and use of specific pixels. It could be resolved somewhat with good use of anti-aliasing though. Where is the best place to get actual size Wii screen grabs? (i.e. ones with a twat at the side playing. -
DrDamn wrote: The Wii has been positioned as a second console to own by both MS and Sony. No doubt pleasing Nintendo, second console for majority of both = top console overall etc.
Many many Europeans will not upgrade to high-definition television sets just yet. It's really too expensive right now for the average games consumer. Maybe in a few years...
One thing which does concern me is not necessarily the lack of graphic oomph as such, but the standard def output. A reasonable number of people will have upgraded their TV's to hi-def, driven by the X360 and eventually PS3. The problem is that Standard Def stuff on a high def display looks worse in a lot of respects than on a Standard Def display.
I for one don't see any advantage to getting HD TV straight away. Give me two or three years when the TVs are affordable and the players are affordable, and the HD DVDs/BRDs have come down substantially in price.DrDamn wrote: So is there any chance at all Wii will ever output hi-def or are there hardware reasons which rule it out?
Dunno. I don't think it can be done, but you'd best ask SilentBob shit like that. -
THe uptake of HD tvs is and will be relatively speaking, considerably low for a good while yet.
Look at this way, how many of you know people that still have an old 1970/1980s brown wooden TV with no scart sockets? -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years ago90% of the population havent got HD tellies. Of the 10% who have, 5% wont know how to set them up properly*.
In summary, this is the biggest non-issue since Sonys removal of the HDMI port.
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It seems to me that most folk don't even have HD sets, and even of those that don't, there are still a large proportion of them that see HD as a fad. I don't think Nintendo will suffer from any lack of HD output at all. On the contrary, it could be viewed as a positive for many people.
I don't have a HD set myself, and to be honest if my current Panny broke down, I would still get a "regular" CRT to replace it.
Not that that means anything in the grand scheme of things, mind...
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Freek 7,682 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAnd as pointed out 480P upscales nicely so it's a non issue either way. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoHairyArse wrote:
THe uptake of HD tvs is and will be relatively speaking, considerably low for a good while yet.
Look at this way, how many of you know people that still have an old 1970/1980s brown wooden TV with no scart sockets?
Yes, but my original point was with the Wii being a second console. I think you will find the uptake of HDTV's amongst X360 and eventual PS3 owners is substantially higher than a straw poll of your grans house.
You also have to factor in that a console's life is ~5 years. So the stats now are nowhere near as important as the stats in 2 or 3 years time.
Electronics companies are reporting better results based on the uptake of hi-def tvs, Telewest and Sky have just launched their HD TV services. Currys.digital have dropped CRT tv's completely.
There is a certain of sticking your head in the sand going on here. Hi-def is here and becoming widespread quicker than you might think. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoHyoushi wrote:
it only has an analog out
Same with the X360, you can still do hi-def analog. -
Onny 5,695 posts
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Registered 16 years agoNext gen machines; they'll all fookin DOOMED!!! -
I'm planning to stick to CRT, even when I do get a High Definition set (I'm guessing that the Samsung HD CRT will have more competition by then, but if not I'll go for that one when it's a bit cheaper). I gather upscaling isn't an issue with those, although I can't be bothered to find out why. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agodravenclarke wrote:
beacuse CRT sets will look good no matter what rs you feed them, weres some LCD sets look shit in anything other than there native res.
Which is actually my original point. The Wii won't ouput at the native res and people will think it is the Wii which is shit and not their TV. After all their X360/PS3 look superb on their TV. -
Bazlurgan 25 posts
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Registered 16 years ago480p looks fine on my 50" plasma and 26" LCD - this is using the gamecube.
Shouldn't be too much of a worry.
I'm guessing that the gamecube component cable will likely work with the Wii, but we'll see idc. -
ralphwolfenstein 1,038 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI've seen Wii software running on those lovely 32" Samsung HD TVs, and it looks fantastic
For the 5% of Nintendo's target market that only has a Hi Def TV, you have nothing to worry about - unless you really can't bear to sully your screens with 'last generation' graphics, albeit graphics at the Resi 4/F-Zero GX end of the quality pool...
The fact that MS and Sony are 'positioning' the Wii as a second console is also irrelevant. It might be the logical second choice for their target audience (ie, the current gaming audience slightly broadened by the natural widening demographic as existing gamers get older), but the fact is, the Wii is going to sell to the mass market right from day one, not year two
It's a very simplistic analogy, but when a DS can outsell a PSP by 7:1 every week in Japan and 3:1 in the UK, you know the strategy's working. The Wii is the DS concept amplified ten-fold. Its going to sell bucket loads
Although, if I hear one more Nintendo Europe employee crowing about their company's amazing successes as if they'd personally designed Nintendogs on the back of a cigarette packet in a pub in Camden instead of having nothing more strenuous to do than sit back and watch wave after wave of AAA quality 'I-can-sell-myself' software roll in from Japan, I'll bite their face off -
morriss 71,293 posts
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Registered 17 years agograyson wrote:
i wondered why i couldnt sleep last night
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Machetazo 6,373 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI saw this thread, and thought you were going to highlight something else, as a possible stumbling block: Software Sales.
If it's true that console holders lose money on consoles, which they then claw back from software sales; after launch buzz has died down, will people still be as readily filling their secondary game library, when the heaviest hitters (and probably most advrtised/hyped games) are likely to be coming out for rival consoles? -
Machetazo wrote:
Doesn't matter, Nintendo actually make a profit on their consoles.
I saw this thread, and thought you were going to highlight something else, as a possible stumbling block: Software Sales.
If it's true that console holders lose money on consoles, which they then claw back from software sales; after launch buzz has died down, will people still be as readily filling their secondary game library, when the heaviest hitters (and probably most advrtised/hyped games) are likely to be coming out for rival consoles? -
yegon 6,511 posts
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Registered 18 years agomorriss wrote:
grayson wrote:
i wondered why i couldnt sleep last night
+1
So, making a valid topic of discussion is less worthy than turning up in a thread you're blatantly not interested in, responding with the equivalent of meh....? Hmm.
Eighthours wrote:
The annoying thing is that you can be damn sure the Wii won't come bundled with a component cable. They'll probably be short of official ones for months.
Yeah, that is a bummer. They'll be like rocking horse shit.
If my US GC via component is anything to go by, the Wii will look great, albeit not as spanky as a 360/PS3 obviously. -
yiannis 308 posts
Registered 18 years agoQuestion... what did people do with their old 34"+ SD widescreens and such?
throw them away possibly? or did they all sold them?
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yiannis wrote: Question... What did people do with their old 34"+ SD widescreens and such? Throw them away possibly? Or did they sell them? Perhaps now they are simply the second (or third ..) TV of the house?
My 28" SD television is still the main television of the house. Have a little 14" too in my room. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoralphwolfenstein wrote:
I've seen Wii software running on those lovely 32" Samsung HD TVs, and it looks fantastic
Ok, well that's good to hear.
but the fact is, the Wii is going to sell to the mass market right from day one, not year two
Now that I don't agree with for two main reasons. Number one Wii will sell out for a significant time to the Nintendo fan base. A global launch for any manufacturer = shortages. The mass market will not buy until they can walk in to the shops and pick one off a shelf, the mass market certainly do not pre-order a console. The second point is that, as mentioned by MasterThief, it is easy to see the world as what we see on the internet and not the reality. The features which will sell the Wii to the mass market are the sort which benefit from the "I want one of those" mentality. You see it round a friends house and then want it. That sort of sell through also does not start from day one.
It's a very simplistic analogy, but when a DS can outsell a PSP by 7:1 every week in Japan and 3:1 in the UK, you know the strategy's working. The Wii is the DS concept amplified ten-fold. Its going to sell bucket loads
Too simplistic. Handheld and home console are such very different markets. -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoOn the HD thing: I don't think I could care less. Given the cool reception HD has had in this country, I'm not sure the public will care too much, either. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGenji wrote:
On the HD thing: I don't think I could care less. Given the cool reception HD has had in this country, I'm not sure the public will care too much, either.
I did write a big reply to this, but then thought why bother, your head is too deep in the sand already.
Edited by DrDamn at 09:26:33 01-08-2006 -
Pardon me? Oh, I'm sorry, I should have realised that not caring about HD makes me some sort of anti-progress luddite.
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED
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Upscaled 480P (whether DVDs or Xbox) looks great on my 720P projector. It's just a shame I can't get a component connector for the GC for any reasonable price 
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