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But then, not everyone lives in the UK, do they? Maybe I should have made that clearer. I live in Australia. I have no idea about your country. |
Possible problem with Wii being positioned as a "second" console • Page 2
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Genji wrote: On the HD thing: I don't think I could care less. Given the cool reception HD has had in this country, I'm not sure the public will care too much, either.
DrDamn wrote: I did write a big reply to this, but then thought why bother, your head is too deep in the sand already.
DrDamn, I think Genji's post was eminently sensible. When you take into consideration that one must pay a lot for a HD set, with so much television in SD, (and the little HD available being very expensive), HD was always going to have a cool reception. (I refer to Ireland).
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DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGenji wrote:
Pardon me? Oh, I'm sorry, I should have realised that not caring about HD makes me some sort of anti-progress luddite.
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED
Your own personal opinion was fine, I have no problem with it. The point was related to the opinion on the general situation. I did not realise you were talking about Australia - perhaps you should make this clear on a European board? My apologies, I have no idea of the take up and proliferation of Hi-def over ther.
Two main points. Number one, the initial discussion was regarding exactly people who have Hi-def and see the Wii on it. Number two, the life of the Wii should be 5 years so we need to consider not just the situation now, but that in 2009+ -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoTruk wrote:
I'd like to know what proportion of consoles are sat in kids bedrooms attached to a small SD TV. I have a feeling it's rather a lot.
True of current Nintendo consoles I would guess. Not true of the market Wii is aiming for though (Wii = everyone and all that). -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYes, I should have made the fact of me not living in the UK clearer. Apologies. People in Australia have been very slow to adapt to HD television. While many households in the cities are increasingly getting big LCD and plasma screens, the vast, vast majority of people still have the old CRT TVs. I know I have one, in my room, and most of my console playing gets done on it. We have an HD TV downstairs, but its being used, more often than not.
If Nintendo's targeted audience are the people who aren't gamers already, then I don't think their decision to not have HD support is going to affect the sales much. I'm not sure the non-gamers would care much for HD graphics. I don't think it would be a priority. -
jellyhead 24,356 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDrDamn, i'm in the UK, i don't have a HDTV and at the moment they are too expensive for me to consider and the cheap ones that i've seen are just horrid with artifacts all over the place. I don't have cable or satellite as i live in a flat and the last tennant buggered all the cabling up and the local TV peeps are under no compulsion to do anything to tidy up the digital TV signal until 2013.
I'll be buying a Wii at launch, connecting it to my 28" widescreen tele and playing quite happily.
Maybe in 5 years i'll get a HDTV by default but i'll not be buying a new tv until my current one breaks, even hardcore gamers can be apathetic about HDTV output..gif)
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DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@Jellyhead
Yeah but we are not just talking about individual examples. The original post was the point about second consoles. I.e. discussion of the case where people have an X360 or PS3 and buy the Wii as a second console. Uptake of HDTV is being pushed by the other two consoles. I am talking about these examples where the buyer already has a hdtv - that is a given. So any discussion around "but I don't have one", "i'm not gonna get one", "XYZ won't have one" is irrelevant in this context. -
In many shops I've been in, 480p is being sold as HD! I also honestly don't think the jump from 480 to 720 will make as much of a difference as the jump form 'i' to 'p' to a great number of people. Same reason why I don't think that HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will be as big as DVDs have been. A normal DVD still looks great on a progressive scan monitor/TV. -
bigbadbeasty 126 posts
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Registered 16 years agoWhile we can only guess how successful HD TV will be in the UK in the coming years. We have to presume that the 'majority' of the UK populous will not buy a HD TV for some time.
Just think how long it is taking to get people moving to digital, and that has been out for sometime. We have to very careful that we do not confuse ourselves (hardcore forum users) with the Jones's who only replace there TV when it stops working. -
Freek 7,682 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThe Wii isn't getting a global launch, Nintendo have already confirmed that. So shortages will most likely be less of an issue, espcially since it isn't as bleeding edge tech heavy either. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agobigbadbeasty wrote:
While we can only guess how successful HD TV will be in the UK in the coming years. We have to presume that the 'majority' of the UK populous will not buy a HD TV for some time.
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rock27gr 6,439 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDrDamn wrote:
bigbadbeasty wrote:
While we can only guess how successful HD TV will be in the UK in the coming years. We have to presume that the 'majority' of the UK populous will not buy a HD TV for some time.
/jumps off nearest cliff, screaming and pointing at the original post
Just to get this back on track, I understand what you are saying, if I DID have a HD Tv that DID NOT upscale my Wii signal in a good way, then yes, I would be VERY disappointed.
But nevertheless, since your title says:
possible problem with Wii being positioned as a "second" console
well then it doesn't seem as much of a problem since most DO NOT have HD TVs!
Hope this clears things up for you)
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DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agorock27gr wrote:
But nevertheless, since your title says:
possible problem with Wii being positioned as a "second" console
well then it doesn't seem as much of a problem since most DO NOT have HD TVs!
With the first console being an X360 or a PS3 then a lot of people will have HDTV is the point. HDTV sales are being pushed partly by the new consoles. -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoDrDamn wrote: The Wii has been positioned as a second console to own by both MS and Sony. No doubt pleasing Nintendo, second console for majority of both = top console overall etc.
Could you define please what a reasonable number of people means? I suggest that your entire argument is based on a false premise, that many people have HD TVs.
One thing which does concern me is not necessarily the lack of graphic oomph as such, but the standard def output. A reasonable number of people will have upgraded their TV's to hi-def, driven by the X360 and eventually PS3. The problem is that Standard Def stuff on a high def display looks worse in a lot of respects than on a Standard Def display.
First of all, people getting both a Wii and a PS3 will probably be getting their Wii first. It comes out first (I think) and it will be substantially cheaper. Also, excluding the people who already have a 360 who will go on to get a Wii between now and (circa) October, many will get the Wii first for the same reasons.
Secondly, you are assuming that the number of people who will get a Wii but get neither a 360 nor a PS3 is small. I think it will actually be quite significant this generation, especially considering the number of previously non-gamers we may see.
Thirdly, I uspect that a number of people are a bit anxious about getting a HD TV. I am! It means you have to pay for Sky HD, a BRD/HD DVD player and a 360/PS3 to fully exploit it. Like many Europeans, I will definitely get all of this stuff eventually, but not until they are affordable and everywhere.
I don't know a single person with a HD television, and I know plenty with an interest, and money enough to afford it. I think that people have spent a long time collecting their DVDs, and feel that it's too soon for HD, given how little new stuff it really brings to the table. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSomething on the general uptake of HDTV's in the UK ... linky
"It's fair to say this level of interest in its HD service has far surpassed Sky's expectations - though it comes against a backdrop of a TV market that seems to be going 'HD crazy' in general, with 2006 sales forecasts for HD Ready TVs being increased from 1.4 million to 2.73 million, and 46 per cent of all TV sales over 26in in February being HD Ready." -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@DrDamn: UK is not equal to Europe. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoTrue and Europe is not equal to the rest of the world, the figures for Japan and US would most likely be more impressive .gif)
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T.G. wrote:
And let us not forget Nintendo's policies on Europe anyway!
@DrDamn: UK is not equal to Europe. -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoDrDamn wrote: True and Europe is not equal to the rest of the world, the figures for Japan and US would most likely be more impressive.
First off DD, as you said before this is a European website, not an American or Japanese site. So let's stick to that premise, especially after what you said to Genji (who I regard as a European gamer for the purposes of this website, since they get more or less the same game releases as us).
I am absolutely positive that US and Japanese figures will be more impressive, but since you and I are sticking to Europe, would you care to have another go at addressing any of the issues in my original post? -
As another way of looking at this, doesn't the fact that the Wii isn't HD make it more likely to be a second console?
People could be swayed by having one console with pretty HD graphics and a Wii for its games/innovation (not that I'm saying that the 360/PS3 doesn't have good games or are dereft of innovation). The fact that it's much cheaper would help in this respect. Basically I'm just going down the "Nintendo aren't competing with Sony/Microsoft" road again, please replay the same old topics in your head. If you were talking about Wii as a first console then I think you'd actually have more of a point than debating it as a second one.
Also, what will people be doing with their old TV's, it could make sense to have the 360/PS3 liked to the nice new one and have the Wii hooked up to the old TV! -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agodisussedgenius wrote: As another way of looking at this, doesn't the fact that the Wii isn't HD make it more likely to be a second console?
I absolutely agree with 1., not so sure about 2. It's okay as long as that other television is a 28" widescreen behemoth.
1. People could be swayed by having one console with pretty HD graphics and a Wii for its games/innovation (not that I'm saying that the 360/PS3 doesn't have good games or are dereft of innovation). The fact that it's much cheaper would help in this respect.
2. Also, what will people be doing with their old TV's, it could make sense to have the 360/PS3 liked to the nice new one and have the Wii hooked up to the old TV! -
bigbadbeasty 126 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@DrDamn
"So is there any chance at all Wii will ever output hi-def or are there hardware reasons which rule it out?"
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DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDidn't see this post before my linkified one so a little in response to this ...
T.G. wrote:
Could you define please what a reasonable number of people means? I suggest that your entire argument is based on a false premise, that many people have HD TVs.
Have or will have, certainly within the life of the Wii - and I limited my sample set to those who buy the Wii as a second console.
First of all, people getting both a Wii and a PS3 will probably be getting their Wii first. It comes out first (I think) and it will be substantially cheaper. Also, excluding the people who already have a 360 who will go on to get a Wii between now and (circa) October, many will get the Wii first for the same reasons.
Wii as second console - not first. I would argue people getting both a PS3 and a Wii would get the PS3 first if that is what they wanted. Why spend the money on a Wii if it further delays when you will get a PS3. Wii as a second console - not first.
Secondly, you are assuming that the number of people who will get a Wii but get neither a 360 nor a PS3 is small. I think it will actually be quite significant this generation, especially considering the number of previously non-gamers we may see.
Why do I assume that? I specifically limited my discussion to the cases where the Wii is a second console. I made no indication of numbers just getting a Wii (big or small).
Thirdly, I uspect that a number of people are a bit anxious about getting a HD TV. I am! It means you have to pay for Sky HD, a BRD/HD DVD player and a 360/PS3 to fully exploit it. Like many Europeans, I will definitely get all of this stuff eventually, but not until they are affordable and everywhere.
So you will definitely get this stuff eventually - don't you think it will be affordable within 5 years? Take a trip to the shop, it already is everywhere in that respect.
I don't know a single person with a HD television, and I know plenty with an interest, and money enough to afford it. I think that people have spent a long time collecting their DVDs, and feel that it's too soon for HD, given how little new stuff it really brings to the table.
If you don't even know anyone with a HD TV how are you in a position to comment on how little it really brings to the table? Read the reports, open your eyes, experience it yourself. -
DrDamn 1,216 posts
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Registered 16 years agoT.G. wrote:
DrDamn wrote: True and Europe is not equal to the rest of the world, the figures for Japan and US would most likely be more impressive.
First off DD, as you said before this is a European website, not an American or Japanese site. So let's stick to that premise, especially after what you said to Genji (who I regard as a European gamer for the purposes of this website, since they get more or less the same game releases as us).
I am absolutely positive that US and Japanese figures will be more impressive, but since you and I are sticking to Europe, would you care to have another go at addressing any of the issues in my original post?
No I'm not sticking to Europe. My beef with Genji at the time was not that he wasn't sticking to Europe, but that his post had an implication that he was talking about the UK when in fact he was talking about Austrailia. I've since apologised about the misunderstanding.
When we discuss this though we should consider all the major territories and that includes the big ones of the US and Japan. -
I think he's suggesting that the reception to HD in the UK has been anything but cool.
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