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I have been a staunch Nintendo gamer all my life, having gamed on the NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube. Up until yesterday, it was only natural that I would be making the transition to the Wii. Until a certain discussion I had. My best friend is not a gamer. He just doesn't get the whole thing. I am forever trying to convert him. Now, I thought the Wii would be the perfect console to change his mind, what with the Wiimote and all. He said he didn't like the look or sound of it. Said it looked and sounded nerdy and gimmicky. I went to plan b. "You can use the Gamecube controller as well". I then went on to explain how the Wii is great because it's games-first, cheap, graphics are a little bit better than the Xbox, so it's not too expensive to develop for. Basically, I told him that it was s imple, affordable and fun away to game, without the technical mumbo-jumbo of the Xbox 360 and the PS3. His paraphrased response? "Couldn't I just buy a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox for real cheap, especially as they are about the same graphically, and already have a bulging back catalogue of games, many of which are AAA, and many of which can be found for as little as £10?" I was acually taken aback by his answer. Because in many ways, he's right. Obviously, the Wii offers more than current consoles do. The Virtual Console for one. However, if it bears out that the Wiimote fails to work for a lot of games (something I doubt) then he kind of has a point. That you'd be better off just buying a PS2, Xbox or Gamecube. I'm still getting a Wii, purely for the Wiimote, and to see how it works out. But if it doesn't turn out to be as revolutionary as promised, is there really any point to the Wii? Edited by Ninteee at 12:12:09 20-08-2006 |
Is the Wii-concept inherently flawed?
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Ninteee 5 posts
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I'm sure Nintendo know what they are doing, a lot of people (myself included) had the DS down as a stupid gimmick but now love the thing. -
York 8,667 posts
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Registered 17 years agoGood point.
Guess you have to keep in mind the backwards compatibility, cheaper price, and newfangled controller, though. -
caligari 17,956 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI smell...
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Pirotic's right, the thing with the DS and hopefully the Wii too is that actually playing the thing is the best argument you can use. Thus it doesn't matter if people don't 'get' the idea in theory, because playing it will convince.
I'm still getting a Wii, purely for the Wiimote, and to see how it works out. But if it doesn't turn out to be as revolutionary as promised, is there really any point to the Wii?
Of course there is - if it has any decent games then it'll have as much point as any other console! -
caligari 17,956 posts
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Registered 20 years agoNinteee wrote:
His paraphrased response? "Couldn't I just buy a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox for real cheap, especially as they are about the same graphically, and already have a bulging back catalogue of games, many of which are AAA, and many of which can be found for as little as £10?"
Edited by Ninteee at 12:12:09 20-08-2006
Wow. If that's also the 'paraphrased' response, I'd love to have been able to hear the real thing.
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Ninteee 5 posts
Registered 15 years agoI certainly hope you're right, as the Wiimote has a lot of potential I reckon. Let's just hope that developers see this too, and take time to utilise the system, and not just rush-release standard games with freestyle controls tacked-on. -
MrWorf 64,193 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI dunno mate. There a re ALOT of paralells in the Wii as in the SNES. And look on the success that was!
The SNES was an upgraded NES
Graphically inferior to it's competitor
The hugley successful Gameboy was released a year before
Revolutionary controller (Shoulder buttons)
Anything sound familiar?!
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T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoNinteee wrote: I have been a staunch Nintendo gamer all my life, having gamed on the NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube. Up until yesterday, it was only natural that I would be making the transition to the Wii. Until a certain discussion I had.
Do go on!Ninteee went on: My best friend is not a gamer. He just doesn't get the whole thing. I am forever trying to convert him. Now, I thought the Wii would be the perfect console to change his mind, what with the Wiimote and all. He said he didn't like the look or sound of it. Said it looked and sounded nerdy and gimmicky.
Your friend may be one of the many people who doesn't like computer games. Some people just aren't into it. Wii is not a magical spell that entrances all casual/non-gamers.Ninteee introduced plan B: I went to plan B. "You can use the Gamecube controller as well". I then went on to explain how the Wii is great because it's games-first, cheap, graphics are a little bit better than the Xbox, so it's not too expensive to develop for. Basically, I told him that it was simple, affordable and fun way to game, without the technical mumbo-jumbo of the Xbox 360 and the PS3.
Your friend has a fine plan there. I myself am playing cheap PS2 games regularly. However, I think that your one friend as anecdotal evidence does not a powerful argument make.
His paraphrased response? "Couldn't I just buy a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox for real cheap, especially as they are about the same graphically, and already have a bulging back catalogue of games, many of which are AAA, and many of which can be found for as little as £10?"Ninteee was taken aback: I was acually taken aback by his answer. Because in many ways, he's right. Obviously, the Wii offers more than current consoles do. The Virtual Console for one. However, if it bears out that the Wiimote fails to work for a lot of games (something I doubt) then he kind of has a point. That you'd be better off just buying a PS2, Xbox or Gamecube.
I think your argument lost a lot of its focus here. I'm not really sure how this argues the case that the Wii-concept is inherently flawed. The concept is inherently superb. The execution is what will matter. Advertising et cetera...
I'm still getting a Wii, purely for the Wiimote, and to see how it works out. But if it doesn't turn out to be as revolutionary as promised, is there really any point to the Wii?
Remember, PS3's concept is inherently sound too: 1080P Future proofing + BRD player + fancy graphics + solid 3rd party support + media centre. The execution is what will matter... -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI prophesy that Wii + Toke = Fun. I am sure that my esteemed colleague Razz will agree. -
Khab 6,583 posts
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Registered 20 years agoAs has been said, the DS is the best argument for the Wii's success. Everyone was dead sure the PSP would piss on it from a great height, and look at the lists now - Nintendo has yet AGAIN defended their domination of the portable market. Thanks to that old stalwart: FUN games. This time with a new control system, that enables you to do new stuff. -
Ninteee 5 posts
Registered 15 years agoRazz wrote:
Yep. Does indeed!
I dunno mate. There a re ALOT of paralells in the Wii as in the SNES. And look on the success that was!
The SNES was an upgraded NES
Graphically inferior to it's competitor
The hugley successful Gameboy was released a year before
Revolutionary controller (Shoulder buttons)
Anything sound familiar?!
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T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoKhab wrote: As has been said, the DS is the best argument for the Wii's success.
Furbs wrote: And yet as frod pointed out, the GBA had no bearing on the GC's success.
I think the point is that the DS is underpowered compared to the PSP, with lower quality screen resolution and graphics and a 'different' control scheme. Like the Wii.
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Also the fact that the GBA was very much 2D and the Gamcube 3D based.
The DS and the Wii look pretty close conceptually. But then the question it; will the Wii/DS start to harm each others sales?
Because I don't know about anyone else but my favorite home console is the DS because I can't use the stylus very well on a shaking train (well, the underground anyway) or bus, and definitly not while driving! -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agodisussedgenius wrote: The DS and the Wii look pretty close conceptually. But then the question it; will the Wii/DS start to harm each others sales?
Nope. They will both feed on the odd-jobs/lawn-mowing/son's football game/daughter's recital/intimate time with the ladies/sleeping time. And they will feast upon it!!!
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Although I do think the Wii has a genuine chance at doing well, I'd be cautious about drawing too many comparisons with the DS. Just because superficial comparisons of how the two consoles square up to the competition show them to be similar doesn't mean the Wii will automatically garner similar levels of market share.
I was suprised (and pleased) when the DS turned into such a success but the home console sector is very different to the handheld market. It's one thing for Mums, Dads, Grans and Grandads to have a DS for their five-minute fix on Brain Training or whatever, but it's entirely another to ask them to put a console under their TV and choose to play that rather than watch TV.
I've managed to get my parents to play things like Singstar and Eyetoy before, but I can't ever see them going out and buying a PS2 to play them.
But then as I said above, even if it doesn't manage to reach out and appeal to those sort of markets, it can still have a load of great games on it. -
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Registered 20 years agoNinteee wrote:
His paraphrased response? "Couldn't I just buy a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox for real cheap, especially as they are about the same graphically, and already have a bulging back catalogue of games, many of which are AAA, and many of which can be found for as little as £10?"
Edited by Ninteee at 12:12:09 20-08-2006
That's quite an insighful response from someone who "is not a gamer" and "just doesn't get the whole thing." -
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Registered 16 years agoDrCongo wrote:
Ninteee wrote:
His paraphrased response? "Couldn't I just buy a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox for real cheap, especially as they are about the same graphically, and already have a bulging back catalogue of games, many of which are AAA, and many of which can be found for as little as £10?"
Edited by Ninteee at 12:12:09 20-08-2006
That's quite an insighful response from someone who "is not a gamer" and "just doesn't get the whole thing."
He paraphrased it to make sense to us gamers. I bet the response was "Why shouldn't I just get a PS2 to play Pro Evo and GTA, for like, 40 quid or something?" -
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OnlyMe 3,135 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThe irony about how Wii is supposed to attract new gamers is that just about everyone I've talked to about the Wii thinks the whole concept sounds too nerdy and geeky to them. These are all people who've played games before, but are a lot more casual than I am, for example.
If anything, it's even more geeky and nerdy than any console ever created. It's like back in the late 80s and early 90's when you were laughed at for playing games. -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThat's because it's about having fun. Guitar Hero looks nerdy and silly, and yet every non-gamer I've exposed to it loves it, even if they look completely ridiculous playing it. -
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Registered 16 years agoWii isn't up against PS3 or 360, it's up against this: New PS2 -
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Registered 18 years agoHyoushi wrote:
Razz wrote:
what
The SNES was an upgraded NES
Graphically inferior to it's competitor
Aye, I was thinking the same. WTF? The SNES was graphically far superior to the MD. Even the issue of slowdown caused by the slow cpu was greatly exaggerrated, and was mostly only present in the early releases - go play Super Aleste after playing Axelay, you'll see what I mean.
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MrWorf 64,193 posts
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Registered 20 years agoHyoushi wrote:
Razz wrote:
what
The SNES was an upgraded NES
Graphically inferior to it's competitor
The SNES was an upgraded NES
1) Masayuki Uemura commented many times of the money saved on R&D on the SNES CPU as it was just a "souped up NES CPU with bits bolted on" Always lovbed Ninty for that, and love them for doing it again with the Wii. .gif)
Graphically inferior to it's competitor
2) My mistake! I always get confused on this because the Megadrive had a higher overall clockspeed, but the SNES had a far more capable PPU/DSP and could display up to 32,768 colours! (Megadrive could only go up to 1536) -
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Registered 20 years agoPersonally I think people are hating Nintendo simply becasue of their recent return to the spotlight. I hate when people are like that. So bloody childish. -
T.G. 5,989 posts
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Registered 15 years agoHating Nintendo is like hating boobies, or ice-cream, or Jacobs' coconut creams, or REZ. It just doesn't make any sense. Do not smite them though Razz, let them hate it. They say that the best revenge is good living.
I will enjoy Wii tremendously, and will most likely have a great deal of pity for those who don't get it. The same kind of pity I see in the eyes of my PC-gaming friends. They feel bad that I cannot enjoy the graphically accelerated tricked out PC goodness that they hold so dear. -
Hyoushi wrote:
Yeh. Haha! I'm talking about Europe. Esp the UK. The average person over here see Nintendo = Fisherprice. ;_;
Razz wrote:
return to the spotlight? haha
Personally I think people are hating Nintendo simply becasue of their recent return to the spotlight. I hate when people are like that. So bloody childish.
yeah they have been really obscure lately
Most of Joe Public in the UK think Nintendo are some struggling kiddy company, if only theu knew the truth about the VG industry.
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