1000$ for a PS2 during 5 years • Gaming • PS2 • Eurogamer.net

Lother 9 Sep 2006 12:50:02 31 posts
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I know a lot of people who had at least 1 or 2 PS2s break down on them, but me, I had to change 5 consoles during it's entire lifetime. It's practically not normal to launch a console that is supposed to read double layered dvd games like Xenosaga and have the first models not be able to read them. What the heck, Sony is laughing their arses off at how stupid we've all been. And was it just PS2? No, I changed just as many PSX consoles during it's lifetime too.

Since WHEN IS IT THE FUCK NORMAL TO CHANGE THE SAME CONSOLE AT LEAST TWICE DURING IT'S FUCKING LIFETIME PEOPLE?

We've all been duped into accepting what we never would have in the late 80s, early 90s. Sony has killed quality standards and somehow magically made people forget they ever existed.

itamae 9 Sep 2006 12:52:25 10,213 posts
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In related news, some people are already on their second Gamecube, third Xbox, fourth 360 or fifth Dreamcast. Tough luck.

MisterFalseName 9 Sep 2006 12:54:26 991 posts
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I thought Sony made a loss on PS2s sold? If that's the case, it wouldn't really be in their interest to make each customer buy more than one, right?

Deleted user 9 September 2006 12:54:37

Speak for yourself, I've never had a PS2 die on me, and mine gets used a hellofalot. If you want to moan about unreliability, go see XBOX 360.

itamae 9 Sep 2006 12:58:28 10,213 posts
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To actually add something to the discussion though, consoles back then where a lot more "primitive" than the current generation models. Optical drives, ultra-complex PCBs and excessive heat production don't exactly add to a console's life expectancy. High failure rates are simply a price we have to pay for bleeding-edge technology, so it's not really a single company's fault. It might change somewhat with the Wii though.

Deleted user 9 September 2006 13:10:25

itamae wrote:
To actually add something to the discussion though, consoles back then where a lot more "primitive" than the current generation models. Optical drives, ultra-complex PCBs and excessive heat production don't exactly add to a console's life expectancy. High failure rates are simply a price we have to pay for bleeding-edge technology, so it's not really a single company's fault. It might change somewhat with the Wii though.

A high failure rate is completely unacceptable no matter how complex the architecture of a console is. Sorry, but that attitude is just plain nuts.

Raid 9 Sep 2006 13:10:43 980 posts
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What? You're saying we should make do with products that last a year, then break forcing us to buy a new one? This isn't a toothbrush, this is a Ł200+ piece of electronics, to most people that's an expensive item.

itamae 9 Sep 2006 13:18:51 10,213 posts
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I'm not saying it's acceptable, I'm simply stating the facts. We want the best technology available for not a lot of moolah? Well, then we have to live with untested, cheaply-assembled consoles.

As I said, the Wii might change our expectations because from what I gather it mostly uses tried and tested, robust tech.

Dragul 9 Sep 2006 13:22:41 5,536 posts
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I have two PS2... And one since 2002 and none of them has ever given me any problems. And the older one is used a lot... in condictions that vary from around 15şC to 35şC along the year... and it works perfect... Of course I do clean its air entries and fan...

Dragul 9 Sep 2006 13:24:40 5,536 posts
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itamae wrote:
I'm not saying it's acceptable, I'm simply stating the facts. We want the best technology available for not a lot of moolah? Well, then we have to live with untested, cheaply-assembled consoles.

As I said, the Wii might change our expectations because from what I gather it mostly uses tried and tested, robust tech.

I think that on the Wii wand (an very possibly on the new Dual non shock (TM) ) is where there going to show the biggest failure rate in the 2 un-launched consoles...

Deleted user 9 September 2006 13:24:44

my ps2 finally kicked the bucket after nearly six years of loyal service

:sniff:

rest in pease little buddy

myiagros 9 Sep 2006 13:55:01 1,501 posts
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my day 1 ps2 is still working fine, and it has had a hell of a lot of use. I guess its just luck.

Thinking about it i've never had a games console or other electronc device break on me.

TwistidChimp 9 Sep 2006 13:55:58 8,825 posts
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Yeah.. to be honest Lother, your experience is very, very rare. My PS2 is still working perfectly, hasn't so much as crashed or hung once since I got it, and that was a good 5 or 6 years of usage.

You've just been very unlucky i'm afraid.

Retroid Moderator 9 Sep 2006 14:02:37 45,464 posts
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On my third PS2 :/

Dragul 9 Sep 2006 14:03:20 5,536 posts
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The only electronic device that kicks the bucket from time to time in my house is the freaking fridge, specially if I'm broke or desperately need the frigde... now that i'm unemployed it must be breaking down soon...

Khab 9 Sep 2006 14:18:05 6,583 posts
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/has never had to replace a console

\o/

NeoGoaT 9 Sep 2006 16:37:52 290 posts
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Optical drives FTL. Plenty of working Atari 2600s still doing the rounds after 20 years, working PS2s, Xboxen etc will rare as hens teeth in 2026. Roll on games on SD cards or downloaded straight to the hard drive. CD/DVD tech is shit, great for manufacturers of hardware and games, crap for us.

Raid 9 Sep 2006 18:32:12 980 posts
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Yes, but failure rates are the manufacturer's problem, not the consumer's who bought the product to do a job. If it can no longer perform that job (within an acceptable time frame, which is most certainly more than a year or two), then the company should replace it.

Khab 9 Sep 2006 18:56:44 6,583 posts
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Hold on. You managed to buy FIVE PS2's since Euro release (Which was Xmas 2000, right?) and all of them lasted 'til just over the warranty period was over? Not even one broke before the one-year mark?

myiagros 10 Sep 2006 13:36:44 1,501 posts
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Khab wrote:
Hold on. You managed to buy FIVE PS2's since Euro release (Which was Xmas 2000, right?) and all of them lasted 'til just over the warranty period was over? Not even one broke before the one-year mark?

yeah thats exactly what i thought 5 in 6 years, you would have to be extremely unlucky if these were all more than 12 months apart.

Morb0 10 Sep 2006 13:57:08 132 posts
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Launch PS2 still working fine here.

JammyB 10 Sep 2006 14:45:41 756 posts
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Tayl wrote:
Ok, I think you've all been considerate enough; IF A CONSOLE CONTINUALLY BREAKS ON YOU, STOP FUCKING BUYING IT.

Yeah guys just bin your games collection too!

To contribute: I'm on my 3rd Dreamcast, but I still love Sega. I don't buy Sony products unless they're dirt cheap.

Xerx3s 10 Sep 2006 15:30:38 23,970 posts
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I never had any console break down apart from my Lynx 2 & PS2.

EDIT: Come to think about it, me 7800 broke down as well.

Edited by Xerx3s at 15:30:58 10-09-2006

Xerx3s 10 Sep 2006 17:06:33 23,970 posts
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A bit grumpy today, are we?

Deleted user 10 September 2006 17:42:04

I'm had most consoles in my time espically the newer ones and the only one to completly die on my was the Master System.

I'm not accusing anyone here but it's often the case that a console doesn't die of natural causes but has been helped along by a caseless own throwing it around the room in an anrgy fit or using it as a coaster or one of the many other ways it screw up a console.

doug 10 Sep 2006 17:58:33 66 posts
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Surely you should be able to get a refund from the retailer - sale of goods act and all that? These things should last longer than a year no?

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Xerx3s 10 Sep 2006 19:02:40 23,970 posts
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ecureuil wrote:
Consoles break, technology breaks. It's the price we pay for demanding expensive equipment at low prices. Instead of getting quality parts and assembly, we end up with low-grade components outsourced to China where they'll build it for 10p a day, of course, these people aren't fully trained but it doesn't matter because you're getting your console for Ł200.

People want great quality products for a pittance, and it just doesn't happen. You get what you pay for. Why do 360's keep breaking? The console and it's components cost a bomb, corners have been cut somewhere and what we end up with is actually good value. We love to complain that everything is too expensive, but when you consider the manufacturing costs of these things it puts it all in perspective. Sony could have made the PS2 to the highest quality standards, released it at Ł600 and it would never break, but of course, then they are ripping us off.

I feel for them, it's a lose-lose situation. If they make it cheap, quality suffers, it breaks, and we bitch at how crap Sony products are. If they make it great quality, it will be expensive, we bitch about how they're ripping us off. Should really give them, and all the others hardware manufacturers a break, really.

Don't get any illusions. Even if the 360 and PS3 would cost double of what they do now, they would still have the same cheapo components that they have now. When your talking millions of units, every cent counts.