[maven] wrote: Depends on which network gets the phone as an exclusive - the smart money is on Vodafone, but there has previously been talk of O2 or T-Mobile. 3 UK have an unlimited data plan of £15 a month on top of your normal plan. Voda, T-Mobile and Orange have very quietly introduced capped data charges - basically it means the most they can charge you is £1 a day for data. However they specifically exclude data heavy stuff like streaming video or VoIP. With no date announced for Europe (was September but now could slip) there may be time for operators to bring in proper flat rate data, but I doubt it. and @Pike - current phones user friendly? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA /wipes away tears |
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presh 1,221 posts
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wopr-lower-case wrote:
Intro video wankfest:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html
Wasn't sure if I wanted the iPhone before I saw that. But it seems it's worked as intended on me
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JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYeah I downloaded the introduction video from the Apple website.
I have to say I was pretty impressed. Now all I need is:
Flat data charge for mobile service
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JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoAhab wrote:
Yeah, that was pretty much my thoughts before seeing the video too.
I loved the original announcement, but now I'm completely uninterested. I don't care about the multitouch and the sleek GUI at all, a lot of cheaper phones have most of the actual features, and no memory card/custom software support is a bit crap.
Being able to listen to Audiobooks on my phone would be of major interest to me.
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Yeah, the lack of memory expansion is what turns me off mostly. However, what puts me off mobile phones in general is shit UI design (I've had three in my life simply because I can't pick and choose which phone I want as they all seem generally crap in that dept), so this is like the holy grail for me.
I probably wouldn't go crazy for custom apps if they were available if I'm honest, though it would've been nice if we could get games and emus and stuff on there I spose. There's always embedded Java emus and web-based IRC... -
JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI don't know if you saw it, but at the Apple WWDC Steve Jobs mentions that all apps for the iPhone will be pretty much built as web sites sorta thing, but run just like apps.
He seemed pretty please about it. I think I'll wait and see.
A good option to me seems to be to wait 6 months to a year. Apple have a habit of bettering original hardware devices in this time frame, and by then you can imagine all sorts of accessories will be available. Expect internal memory to double too. Also, you may be able to actually get your hands on one by then! Prices may be more respectable too.
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JayPee wrote:
I don't know if you saw it, but at the Apple WWDC Steve Jobs mentions that all apps for the iPhone will be pretty much built as web sites sorta thing, but run just like apps.
Oh we all saw it. It's simply not a solution for software development as far as most developers are concerned. Yknow flickr? Basically what Jobs was saying was if you want to make apps for the iPhone, you build little sites that work like that. Not useful at all for proper, actual apps.
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JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI have to say I wasn't convinced either.
You could see pop-in for the graphics and such, and in my experience, the demos at that show run many times faster than the real-life equivalent!
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Nope, it wouldn't have been a bitch; it's OSX. They're keeping it closed for security reasons I suppose. That, and they simply don't want people fucking about with it. It would be naive to think that the community won't try and hack apps into it anyways though.
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JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoInternal memory structure is likely to be pretty different though.
And my installation of OS X is like 5GB alone!- without all the silly printer drivers!
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Registered 15 years agoJayPee wrote:
I read a while back that it was about 0.5gb for OS X on iPhone.
Internal memory structure is likely to be pretty different though.
And my installation of OS X is like 5GB alone!- without all the silly printer drivers!
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JayPee 1,490 posts
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presh 1,221 posts
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Registered 19 years agoAhab wrote:
The gui looks nice, but it still sometimes looks like a two hand phone which I don't really care about. I have no problems with the Nokia gui, the N95 is fast enough even for Symbian and I see no practical advantage to using the touch screen except for looking pretty cool.gif)
Most people seem to be completely missing the point - it's not a phone, it's a handheld computer that can also make phonecalls. Once you realise that, then most of the software and hardware decisions make a lot more sense.
It's not trying to compete with handsets like the Nokia N95 - although you can bet that Nokia and the others will be watching the launch with notebooks in hand to see how thery can make better phones. Current phone designs are all, at root, terrible compromises that create a poor user experience.
The iPhone is designed to fit a niche between a laptop and an iPod - it's a take-anywhere device that can perform the core functions of a connected PC. It's designed to be regularly synched back to a home machine - it's all about sharing, aquiring and moving content.
Apple are betting that there are enough people who only use a PC to browse the web, send photos and messages that will buy an iPhone. And really, that's like 80% of home computer users. -
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Registered 18 years agopresh wrote:
Most people seem to be completely missing the point - it's not a phone, it's a handheld computer that can also make phonecalls. Once you realise that, then most of the software and hardware decisions make a lot more sense.
So should it not be called the iPC then.gif)
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TwistidChimp 8,825 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI would be 100% sold on the iPhone if it wasn't for the meagre storage space. 'The best ipod we've ever made!' not with only 4 gig storage as standard it aint. Not sure why they didn't just allow a space for memory cards.
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Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agopresh wrote:
So it's a PDA phone then basically?
The iPhone is designed to fit a niche between a laptop and an iPod - it's a take-anywhere device that can perform the core functions of a connected PC. It's designed to be regularly synched back to a home machine - it's all about sharing, aquiring and moving content.
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TwistidChimp 8,825 posts
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Registered 16 years agoPsychotext wrote:
presh wrote:
So it's a PDA phone then basically?
The iPhone is designed to fit a niche between a laptop and an iPod - it's a take-anywhere device that can perform the core functions of a connected PC. It's designed to be regularly synched back to a home machine - it's all about sharing, aquiring and moving content.
* rolls eyes *
well, an ipod / pda / phone.
I mean its got everything I could want, phone, email, ipod, web, all tied together with the best GUI i've seen on any mobile device ever. Plus its shiny. I see myself getting one, so long as there's some reasonble monthly inclusive charge available when it launches here -
JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoExactly.
Until there is a flat-rate product for data usage on a mobile, I aint touching this.
And as far as I can see it basically is just an iPod and PDA and phone combined.
Though I was impressed with the ability to vew .doc files.
Like I said before though, Audiobooks (audible content) + mobile phone = winner for me. -
presh 1,221 posts
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Registered 19 years agoAhab wrote:Maybe I'm missing the point, but I can do the same stuff and more on an N95, with not significantly more hassle. The iPhone is much less of a handheld computer than anything that you can buy software and storage expansion for, functionality-wise at least.
Edited by Ahab at 17:01:03 26-06-2007
Ahab, I think you are - but in the nicest possible way. If you are comfortable using all the features of phone slike the n95 - and they can do a lot of really cool stuff - then you are in the less than 1% of phone users who can, or can be bothered. So for you, there is little attraction for the iPhone.
I've worked in the mobile industry for 7 years now, and the iPhone is the first device which is makeing a serious effort at delivering an interface that is really intuitive. It will be interesting to see if it's a success. If it is, then maybe that's becuase Nokia, SonyEricsson, Motorola and all the others have based a business on launching 10 average phones every year, rather than one great one. It means that they never fix problems, they just move the goalposts and hope people keep moving with them.
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nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agothe word on the street is that if you have Apple stock, this is the time to sell it. -
presh 1,221 posts
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the word on the street is that if you have Apple stock, this is the time to sell it.
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presh 1,221 posts
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Registered 19 years agoPsychotext wrote:
presh wrote:
So it's a PDA phone then basically?
The iPhone is designed to fit a niche between a laptop and an iPod - it's a take-anywhere device that can perform the core functions of a connected PC. It's designed to be regularly synched back to a home machine - it's all about sharing, aquiring and moving content.
* rolls eyes *
You could say that. You could also say that an iPod is just a hardrive with a wheel on the front. But that would be ignoring all the other stuff -
TwistidChimp 8,825 posts
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Registered 16 years agonickthegun wrote:
the word on the street is that if you have Apple stock, this is the time to sell it.
I'd say.. unlikely. Apple is aiming for 1% market share in the first year, I read the other day on the beeb I think that some market research company (hired by apple I believe so, pinch of salt ofcourse), have put the figure of uk consumers alone who are interested in getting one at 16%.
Obviously 'interested in getting one' wont transfer directly to 'got one', but I dont think i've ever encountered what is essentaily a phone making that kind of an impact before.
Could all be BS ofcourse, but I see the Iphone being a big success. It will come down to the cost of the phone, and the cost of the services obviously. I mean having your email, ipod and phone all in one device sounds good, but if the price to entry is crazy high then quite alot of people will probably just go without.
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nickthegun 87,712 posts
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nickthegun wrote:
the word on the street is that if you have Apple stock, this is the time to sell it.
And which street would that be? Microsoft Avenue?
No. just a few things ive heard from a few people, reliable and not so much.
The basic premise is that everyone wants to get on the ground floor of the next 'Big' Apple gadget, so the getting is good at the moment.
However, the feeling seems to be that the phone is, obviously, overpriced and that it is available on the worst network in America. People are passing over the iPhone just to keep good reception.
Naturally, the chances are it will sell like hotcakes, but there seems to be a reasonable groundswell of opinion that it will flop. Not terribly, but it wont meet investor expectations by quite a margin.
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presh 1,221 posts
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Registered 19 years agoBut the interface is always integral to how a feature is accessed and delivered, so it's all part of the same experience.
I agree about the closed development environment and pushing people on to web-based apps, but nobody bitches when Google does it
Also, to be fair, they haven't even launched the iPhone yet - maybe they will open it up in a few months time when they have got over the initial teething problems. -
TwistidChimp 8,825 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI'm liking the Directions feature on it aswell. Its on that intro video near the end, using google maps to set a destination and start point, then it guides you there, updating the traffic conditions and guiding you round problem spots etc. So you can potentially use it instead of a tom tom etc aswell. (Although it doesn't have gps unfortunatley) -
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presh 1,221 posts
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Registered 19 years agonickthegun wrote:
presh wrote:
nickthegun wrote:
the word on the street is that if you have Apple stock, this is the time to sell it.
And which street would that be? Microsoft Avenue?
No. just a few things ive heard from a few people, reliable and not so much.
The basic premise is that everyone wants to get on the ground floor of the next 'Big' Apple gadget, so the getting is good at the moment.
However, the feeling seems to be that the phone is, obviously, overpriced and that it is available on the worst network in America. People are passing over the iPhone just to keep good reception.
Naturally, the chances are it will sell like hotcakes, but there seems to be a reasonable groundswell of opinion that it will flop. Not terribly, but it wont meet investor expectations by quite a margin.
Anyway, thats the poop, as far as I hear it.
It's hard to work out what is fact and fiction from all the analysts making guesses, but you are right about people slamming AT&T for being the worst network. However, there wasn't really another choice for Apple - Verizon uses CDMA and not GSM so they were out, and Sprint and Nextel are small compared to AT&T. Also, the deal with AT&T will give Apple a lot more retail exposure.
I don't think it's overpriced - if you want to buy any recent release handset in the UK, it will cost £300 upwards. Our perception is skewed by the subsidies that operators offer us to keep us on their networks. I guess it's down to Apple's marketing to get people to spend more than they usually would! -
JayPee 1,490 posts
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Registered 15 years agoSo actually the word on the street is to keep hold of your apple stock for another few months then? As long as the iPhone maintains the "shiney" image. Right? -
deem wrote:
TwistidChimp wrote:
So you can potentially use it instead of a tom tom etc aswell. (Although it doesn't have gps unfortunatley)
How if it doesn't have GPS!?
Yes its a good point, i've no idea how its supposed to keep track of which road your on. Watch the video, they probably brush over it. Like expecting your passnger to hold the damn thing and press a button when you get to the next road....
I've no idea.
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