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Star Trek is dead!!!!! • Page 4
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Introspectre 3,274 posts
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Spanky 15,037 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDoes the entire race wear ceremonial earings? 
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nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThe time travel thing was my biggest bugbear. It just got to the point in voyager that it was a stupidly easy reset button. 'Kill the crew! Reset with time travel! Yay!' and the fucking ending......Janeway from the future rescues janeway from the past...its just so lazy.
So when Enterprise started and the main conceit was 'Temporal Cold War' I just stopped watching it until my friend said 'yeah..they have given up on that and its quite good now'. It was just the most appalling storyline in the history of the world.
The going backwards thing is also annoying. I dont really want to know how the federation was formed. I wanted to know what it did after the dominion war. I know they had a 'wild west in space' thing going on, but it just didnt work.
I mean, jesus, there are a million and one things they can do with star trek and the lazy 'The wacky adventures of young Kirk' and 'Dawsons Creek in space' are just the final nails in the coffin, for me.
Edited by nickthegun at 11:51:56 26-02-2007 -
President_Weasel 12,355 posts
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Registered 17 years agoMadder Max wrote:
Hunam wrote:
If you liked Enterprise then you have no place on this forum.
The onloy problem with Enterpirse was the cheesy music. It was the music that killed it.
Scott Balooka's po-faced Captain Dull killed it. And the time travel nonsense. Although the music didn't help. -
Introspectre 3,274 posts
Registered 15 years agoOh I dunno. He was kinda good. Yep. Sometimes he would get quite angry. -
glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe main thing that killed Star Trek for me is the goody two shoes universe it inhabits. Every main character is just some god dam perfect and even if they occasionally do something wrong they always come through in the end.
This perfect people philosophy really came in with the Next Generation as Kirk was more a punch aliens in the face and shag green alien women type bloke. I think it was Ok for the Next Generation but really that was enough.
Really I am quite happy to see Trek remain dead now. Let’s have something new without all that crappy old choir boys in space baggage. -
Introspectre 3,274 posts
Registered 15 years agoNo. I like the idealism thx. -
Ecanem 5,039 posts
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Registered 17 years agoGalaxy Quest ftw!
Totally agree glaeken, I don't buy 'it' for a second.. -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIdealism is one thing, but the interminably dull Jazz Quartets, Holodeck simulations of Old Ireland/France/whatever showed them as utterly lifeless.
They had a holodeck that can recreate anything and they create a sterotypical chocolate box pub from the past....?
Oh, thats another thing; Holodeck malfunctions. Damn it, they are annoying. -
Grunk 4,718 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDeana Troy's emotional mentalism episodes were shit. -
Spanky 15,037 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAny episode with any focus on here were shit, the i'm getting married ones, the love triangle ones, the unstable ones, the i'm the only ones the aliens can communicate with ones... etc etc. -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoTroi was always the most annoying character for me; 'All I feel is ANGER! PAIN!'
Wil Wheatons (Wesley Crusher) retrospectives on TNG are quite funny (some of the try a bit too hard, but are still quite entertaining)
http://www.tvsquad.com/bloggers/wil-wheaton/
Sample:
"I finally understand exactly why so many people hated Wesley so much. Hell, I played him for seven years and probably have more invested in him than anyone else in the world, and even I hated him after this." -
Grunk 4,718 posts
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Registered 17 years agoAlso, it wasn't very true to life;
Jean-Luc Picard was a frenchman in charge of a starship.
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nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoFluffyTucker wrote:
And why did he have an English accent, he should have played it as a Frenchman.
Because in the future, all the french fears came true! Despite all the laws they passed, French still died out by the 25th century.
Hello?
Bonjour!
Crazy Gibberish........ -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoheh, Riker also has no class, apparently
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glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIntrospectre wrote:
No. I like the idealism thx.
It was fine for the TNG I just became sick of it over the series that followed. It was nice to see TNG have its own idealism but by the time I had heard of the prime directive for the 3 millionth time in Voyager I was sick of it.
Really Star Trek became socialists in space.
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nickthegun wrote:
I dunno, Enterprise could've been quite good, much better than it actually was;
I want to find out what happens after, not before. Fucking people....
No Prime Directive, as an example!
The human race knowing fuck-all about what's out there and no-one else taking them seriously, most of the other races having been in contact / trade / war with eachother for centuries, the humans were amongst the few to not automatically accept "that's how things are".
Instead they had a decent first season, a dull second, a crap third and a cringe-worthy fourth.
Bah.
Any, glaeken: the problem wasn't the Prime DIrective in Voyager, it was that Voyager was shit.
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Registered 17 years agoRetroid wrote:
nickthegun wrote:
I dunno, Enterprise could've been quite good, much better than it actually was;
I want to find out what happens after, not before. Fucking people....
No Prime Directive, as an example!
Trip: Captain this planet is far less developed than us.
Archer: Cool let's just Fuck 'em and leave.
Retroid wrote:
Voyager, it was that Voyager was shit.
Edited by Retroid at 13:29:08 26-02-2007
7 of 9 was good.
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glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWell the point was not really to do with Voyager but how the philosophy started in TNG became way over used and eventually bored the crap out of me.
What started as a refreshing point of view in TNG just got way overused until it felt like we watching social workers exploring space. -
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Registered 17 years agoDirtbox wrote:
Characters from ST that should be jetisoned out of an airlock:
I'll get you started with...
Troy.
Krusher (all)
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nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMost of all, beyond absolutely anything else, the thing that has killed Star Trek for me is....Battlestar Galactica.
Moore took the excellent work he started on DS9 and just kicked it onto the next level.
Without prime directives and all the happy clappy shit that the federation had accrued during the 80's and 90's it really kicks a lot of arse.
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Dirtbox wrote:
I used to have a 'thing' for Beverly...
Krusher (all)
All characters* on Voyager, apart from the EMH.
*note that I said CHARACTERS and not BOOBS IN TIGHT SILVER LYCRA -
PearOfAnguish 7,573 posts
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Registered 17 years agoHere's an idea: get rid of the holodeck
It's the laziest plot device of any show, ever. Whenever the writers are bored they just do some tired storyline about the holodeck going bananas, giving Picard a chance to dress in period costume. If the damn thing is so dangerous why do they install them in the first place? -
Nowt wrong with holodecks.
Plenty wrong with them fucking up. -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoPearOfAnguish wrote:
they just do some tired storyline about the holodeck going bananas, giving Picard a chance to dress in period costume.
I think its this, rather than the inherent goody goody intergalatic social worker aspect that gets on peoples tits.
Its not enough that they go around sermonising to alien cultures like space Jehovos, in their spare time they go to operas, recite gilbert and sullivan and any other worthy cultural pursuit you can think of.
They never just kick back in front of the viewscreen with a mug of romulan ale in one hand and scratch their balls with the other. -
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Registered 16 years agonickthegun wrote:
Most of all, beyond absolutely anything else, the thing that has killed Star Trek for me is....Battlestar Galactica.
Moore took the excellent work he started on DS9 and just kicked it onto the next level.
Without prime directives and all the happy clappy shit that the federation had accrued during the 80's and 90's it really kicks a lot of arse.
Edited by nickthegun at 14:16:36 26-02-2007
The happy-clappy federation stuff was a legacy of Roddenberrys' that the producers (Berman mainly) just could not get around. It was Roddenberrys' vision of the human future and the producers/script writers could not get away from that.
They only way they could get away from that is to introduce a bunch of non-federation types (a la DS9) which would allow them to do conventional conflict/drama stories like any other TV show.
The amazing thing for me was that in spite of being saddled with Roddenberrys' vision, the writers *sometimes* made an excellent job of writing high quality and thought provoking drama, e.g. TNG "Inner Light". -
PearOfAnguish 7,573 posts
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Registered 17 years agoAnd other times there was utter gubbins like that Voyager episode where the captain and some other guy got turned into lizards and had slimy lizard sex. -
PearOfAnguish wrote:
And other times there was utter gubbins like that Voyager episode where the captain and some other guy got turned into lizards and had slimy lizard sex.
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