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  • Deleted user 16 July 2014 17:48:51
    No, you're trying to drag me down to your level, which hasn't worked for the posters above and won't work for you either.
  • Aargh, 16 Jul 2014 17:59:50 292 posts
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    You're assuming your mental problem is the same as all other forms of depression and trying to apply your limited knowledge to areas you know nothing about, but more dangerously think you do.

    That's fine down the pub with your mates, it's not find on a public forum where people may actually take your advice.

    Edited by Aargh, at 18:01:16 16-07-2014
  • Deleted user 16 July 2014 18:09:06
    Around ten people have been trying to explain that for several pages now, but he really only seems to accept that old and disabled people are any different to him, and even they aren't really trying hard enough not to be depressed.
  • Deleted user 16 July 2014 18:17:28
    He says he's still got issues, and his posts seem to bear that out.
  • DrStrangelove 17 Jul 2014 01:03:14 12,548 posts
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    scuffpuppies wrote:

    My Wife has asked me numerous times over the years to see a therapist, but things from my past are repressed for a reason. I have absolutely no desire to revisit my childhood. It's bad enough spending a few hours with my folks over Christmas, let alone taking regular trips down memory lane with a Shrink. (I do realise this is not the healthiest attitude to take).
    I first resisted consulting a therapist too, in fact I rejected my first one even if in hindsight I think it was pretty spot on what he told me.

    But therapy doesn't always mean revisiting anything. A good therapist knows that not everything should be treated with the sledgehammer, most of all not repressed memories. Therapy can also mean helping to deal with your present, not just the past.

    The real matter I think is finding the right therapist, but there are quite a lot of right therapists around, and you're not forced to stay with a bad therapist once you found out he's bad.

    There's lots of ways a therapist can help, and there's a lot of therapists who can help.
  • DrStrangelove 17 Jul 2014 01:25:44 12,548 posts
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    rivuzu wrote:
    You wouldn't refuse a diabetic Insulin.
    But you would criticise mentally ill people taking Anti Depressants?
    Depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. AD's help normalise them. Simple as that. As with all mind altering drugs, there'll obviously be side effects but that's where you work with what's best for you.

    What an incredibly obnoxious thing to say.
    I'm not arguing with the rest of your post here, but I think there's a problem with "depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain". That may be one reason for depression, but certainly not the only one. The biggest issue here is that "depression" is such a broad and vague term, it's not far from "mental illness". There's depression that leaves you just more or less emotionally dead, there's depression that's deeply painful and desperate, there's depression that results in apathy and depression that results in aggression, and all sorts of mixtures in-between. There's unipolar depression and bipolar depression, and there's bipolar 1 and bipolar 2.

    It may well be true that there is depression caused by a chemical inbalance, but it's certainly not true for everyone who's classified as depressed. I just think "depression" isn't much more accurate than "fever". It can be caused by a lot of things, both chemically and psychologically. Some people suffer the worst things and still fight through, others were struck by it despite there was no apparent reason.

    There are probably people who are depressed only due to chemical issues, others only because of psychological issues, and I suspect most are a mixture of both. As in, psychological triggers for a genetic/chemical vulnerability, or something like that.
  • DrStrangelove 17 Jul 2014 01:31:55 12,548 posts
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    muttler wrote:
    RyanDS wrote:
    muttler wrote:
    LeoliansBro wrote:
    'I never said everyone on drugs was just being 'silly', although I am going to go ahead and say that now.'
    I didn't say that either. People might have real reasons for being depressed is what I said.
    Such as a genetic defect or a chemical imbalance where only the sunroofs and not the cause can be treated? In which case there are these things called drugs that can work?
    These particular medications are bad though, they are more trouble than they are worth.
    The experience I made was that meds had vastly different effects on different people. Some helped moe, some didn't, for others it was vice versa. I think that's more complicated and individual than we'd like to. I wish it was as simple as to say "this is shit" or "that is great".

    I will concede one point though, you mentioned your mum is an old lady, for whom I guess getting more active and taking up a sport would be a lot more difficult.  Ok, old people get a pass, but if you're capable of physical activity of any kind then no pass.  Even disabled people have olympics ffs, and there are a couple of over 70s at the gym I go to.
    Again, there are differences. Creative activities help me sometimes, while sports didn't work at all for me. I tried, fitness, running, biking, it didn't work. I think it's the same as the former, for some it may be right, for others not. If the cause of your depression is some actual relationship issue, sports might not help much, for example.
  • Deleted user 17 July 2014 04:11:03
    I'm kind of confused here - how can there be a difference between psychological and chemical issues?

    At the end of the day, the brain is nothing more than a physical organ that works via electrical and chemical stimuli, therefore "psychological" issues that are at the root, are a series of situations that cause a chemical imbalance.
  • Deleted user 17 July 2014 04:34:19
    Just read the previous page - I'll wade in with my own 2 cents...

    Antidepressants for me are only good as something to peel me off rock bottom. I feel like utter shit when on them, but it's a slightly better place than fixing a noose in the attic or stockpiling enough paracetamol to floor a horse. They provided enough clarity to allow me get my shit together to get me into treatment. Once there was movement there, it was time to get off/tail off with them.

    What keeps me on an even keel now? Exercise. Bit of gym action, a nice cycle when the weather permits. This has the double whammy of helping keep the other "D" mentioned here in check - I'm diabetic also. So the exercise clears my head, makes the diabetes more manageable (which can be another source of mental struggle outside of depression and anxiety), makes life all that bit more rosey and creates a positive feedback loop. And doing that gave me enough get up and go to finally pick up the guitar and stick with it, which is providing another outlet.

    I wouldn't be able to achieve any of that if I was tanked up on ADs. The ADs got me to the starting position to gain positive momentum. The point is that my experience us just that; mine. What would I say to someone who has mental issues? It's not a black and white disease, nor is the treatments available black and white. It may take time to hit on something that works, but go into everything with an open mind. Just because John down the street told you it didn't work for him, doesn't mean it won't work for you - and vicea versa.
  • DrStrangelove 13 Aug 2014 14:54:17 12,548 posts
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    Two-thirds of Britons with depression get no treatment
  • Doomspoon 31 Aug 2014 01:28:57 2,895 posts
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    Edited by Doomspoon at 01:38:37 31-08-2014
  • Psychotext 31 Aug 2014 01:32:00 63,008 posts
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  • Kichijoten 4 Sep 2014 09:55:59 4,555 posts
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    I've just made myself really depressed by looking at my Facebook friends list. Getting old sucks. Marriage, kids etc the amount of lost friends and crazy times. Yeah I'm sure some of these friends would be jealous of me with my family and good job etc but im bloody bored of being old and most of my friends being old and boring now. God i would love to go back ten years or maybe more. Looking through your friends Facebook photos brings back so many memories and i hate seeing old friends who aren't all settled down doing all these parties and the big jealousy is all the travelling they are all doing. Argh.
  • nickthegun 4 Sep 2014 10:00:22 73,597 posts
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    You seem to be confusing 'depressed' with 'being a bored fantasist'
  • HarryPalmer 4 Sep 2014 10:30:46 5,465 posts
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    Sometimes I get depressed when I watch a sad film, or listen to a sad song, or look at a sad picture: depression sucks!!
  • mrpon 4 Sep 2014 12:49:21 34,372 posts
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    You've made me upset now.
  • RyanDS 4 Sep 2014 12:59:26 11,807 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    As a white muslim transgender nurse with 17 kids who runs an orphanage and invented the pop tart while still find the time to play on the xbox for 17 hours a day, I'm amazed you have the time to be depressed.
    Is that fantasist Revan back again?
  • Deleted user 4 September 2014 13:15:32
    She never left. Don't forget passing off art as her own, too, iirc.
  • Rivuzu 4 Sep 2014 14:03:04 17,265 posts
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    I once put my hands in wet cement on the floor.

    That made a nice depression.

    Might be the wrong time/place for that though.
  • RyanDS 4 Sep 2014 14:04:23 11,807 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    She never left. Don't forget passing off art as her own, too, iirc.
    That was fantastic!One of the funniest things I have ever seen on this board.
  • Deleted user 4 September 2014 14:10:35
    Link pls
  • RyanDS 4 Sep 2014 14:14:56 11,807 posts
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    I can't link from my phone. But if you Google revan8 stolen art it is one of the first links. It is in the post your art thread.

    Edited by RyanDS at 14:15:11 04-09-2014
  • Deleted user 4 September 2014 14:47:01, see p. 7.

    Edited by RedSparrows at 14:47:25 04-09-2014
  • JiveHound 4 Sep 2014 14:54:50 9,423 posts
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    Page doesn't exist apparently. Shame, I was curious.
  • JiveHound 4 Sep 2014 15:18:52 9,423 posts
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    Righto, yup. Can't believe I missed all that although I had her down as a bit of a weird fish. Anyone else get a lot of private messages from her a couple of years back?

    Think she's just lonely.
  • spamdangled 4 Sep 2014 15:31:30 31,614 posts
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    rivuzu wrote:
    Depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain.
    Not always it isn't. Depression can be caused by a number of factors: anxiety, stress, environmental, etc. Saying that ADs are some catch-all solution is pretty irresponsible. Just because doctors like to hand them out like lollipops these days doesn't mean they're some panacea that will work for everyone; and sometimes the side-effects can make things far worse.
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