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  • Deleted user 14 November 2019 16:44:09
    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    Not really.

    Bite guards are the preferred treatment, but they did nothing but make it worse in my case.

    Wanking helps a little.
    Technogel mouth guard maybe?
  • challenge_hanukkah 14 Nov 2019 16:46:29 12,202 posts
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    Ecosse is soft and gelatinous. Maybe he could just rest his plums on my tongue as I toddle up the leafy lane to Bedfordshire
  • Deleted user 14 November 2019 16:47:44
    As long as you love the taste of teriyaki testes
  • AboutHalfaStevas 14 Nov 2019 16:47:53 2,216 posts
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    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    Aren't they pretty much the same as ones you get from the dentist anyway?

    I've had two custom made ones, one hard one soft and all they did was make it significantly worse.
    Nah, they're more to keep your airways open than your teeth from clenching, but it just felt to me like a slightly different enough way to achieve a similar(ish) thing, given that you said a normal bite guard didn't work, is all.
  • Cadence 14 Nov 2019 17:15:36 2,391 posts
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    @AboutHalfaStevas been on mirtazapine about two years on the maximum doge (45mg) and initially it was really good. No anxiety and slept much better. The last few months though I've been having a lot of unwanted, rather dark thoughts about suicide. Plus the anxiety has returned so I'm thinking of reducing the dose with an aim to coming off it. Your post is midly terrifying though!
  • challenge_hanukkah 14 Nov 2019 17:25:34 12,202 posts
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    AboutHalfaStevas wrote:
    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    Aren't they pretty much the same as ones you get from the dentist anyway?

    I've had two custom made ones, one hard one soft and all they did was make it significantly worse.
    Nah, they're more to keep your airways open than your teeth from clenching, but it just felt to me like a slightly different enough way to achieve a similar(ish) thing, given that you said a normal bite guard didn't work, is all.
    I'll give it a try as I'm willing to try anything up to and including having my bottom jaw removed.

    Thanks dude.
  • AboutHalfaStevas 14 Nov 2019 17:38:50 2,216 posts
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    I mean, worth a try innit. Plus, you could tell me how you get on, as I maybe need one myself (for the apnea)...

    @Cadence
    Yeah, imagine how I felt/feel. I'm still not right, and extremely angry that everyone focussed on the anxiety (did I mention that my blood pressure is out of control now? I went from 120/80 6 months ago on 2.5mg of blood pressure meds, to 150/100 on 10mg now. So I can't afford to get angry... oh, also, there are links to mirtazapene increasing blood pressure! How about that.)

    I was on it maybe four years. Also, same for me: initially it was great. Actually, for three years or so. Only side effect was extended drowsiness on a morning. I'd say it's got a lifespan of about 3 years, anything past that and you're risking it fucking you up. I only went on it cos I literally stopped sleeping. I don't mean I got a few hours a night, or was in and out of sleep some nights, I mean: stopped fucking sleeping. For five days. Then I crashed the car and decided I needed help.

    Edited by AboutHalfaStevas at 17:44:50 14-11-2019
  • Cadence 14 Nov 2019 17:42:24 2,391 posts
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    @AboutHalfaStevas Yeah I can see the negatives are now starting to outweigh the positives with this drug. Sorry to hear you've had such a rough time on it. Hopefully reducing the dose won't send my brain haywire.
  • AboutHalfaStevas 14 Nov 2019 17:48:45 2,216 posts
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    Just do it slow. Reduce to 30 for maybe a month, then 15, then maybe only when you need it. It's got a really short half life apparently, so it shouldn't take long for you to realise what effect that has. I went cold turkey on it twice now, and yeah, I got withdrawals for a day, but nothing worse than that.

    Now, the problem is if it's controlling your anxiety as it takes it a few months to get back into your system for that...
  • BinaryBob101 14 Nov 2019 17:59:49 27,629 posts
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    @AboutHalfaStevas Please don't give guidance or advice in this thread on withdrawal from meds. That's a GP's job and nobody should come off meds without guidance from a GP. It's just not safe, moreso if somebody is struggling.

    Bit irresponsible mate.

    Cheers.

    If anybody in the thread needs any support apart from personal perspective stuff, in short, they should get advice from a GP.

    Edited by BinaryBob101 at 18:01:26 14-11-2019
  • Deleted user 14 November 2019 18:09:47
    Yeah, he's right. We should just stick to general stuff. Our experiences and bodies are too different. A gp will have a far better perspective to your needs. You can always go to another gp if you're unsatisfied.

    But trust me on the sunscreen.

    Edited by adamasunder12 at 18:13:59 14-11-2019
  • Wavey 16 Nov 2019 01:32:19 991 posts
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    So not posted in awhile. I've applied for two apprenticeships with the local council and been rejected both times. Don't think I will try a third time. Pretty low about it all, it might be time to just get a "normal" job and start saving money.
  • Deleted user 16 November 2019 06:59:13
    Still no joy? That sucks mate. If you applied for and started a 'normal' job does that take this apprenticeship off the table?

    In other news I went to see my psychiatrist for the first time in a while and I discussed some issues. Mainly with anxiety, lack of concentration and agitation. He's concerned that I still haven't been able to see an Adhd specialist and subsequently received treatment. It turns out that the reasons I'm struggling with uni work is because although I'm being treated for Bipolar I need both pegged to stand any real chance of normality.

    It's most likely also why I post so much as I'm constantly procrastinating.

    So frustrating.
  • Wavey 16 Nov 2019 07:38:52 991 posts
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    Hope things look up for you soon.

    If I get a "normal" job I can look at maybe studying part time. A big part of my mental health issues stem from being gay and living at home with my parents, one who doesn't really like it and one who "doesn't know" but must fucking know and would not have anything to do with me if he "knew".

    So a big part of me just wants to save up, rent a place of my own, "come out" and live my life. I need to think about what to do for the best.
  • Deleted user 16 November 2019 07:51:36
    Oh god, that sounds awful mate. Repression has been one of the biggest ailments of my life.

    I came out as bisexual last year and literally no one was surprised. Turned out I was the only one that didn't know! It also turns out I'm likely polyamorous which has required some soul searching. My current girlfriend is really bothered by the fact I'm not in the least bit jealous. Still ironing out the kinks there but I'm the most self aware I've ever been.

    I think you need to get out of that situation as soon as realistic. That environment is a toxic baseline that will just leak into your other endeavours. Hope things get easier.

    Mentals unite!
  • IRWATWO 20 Nov 2019 23:40:56 566 posts
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    So (I hate people who start sentences with 'so', can't even listen to R4 anymore), posting for my own catharsis. This is going to be rant, created in Android Memo. Been meaning to for a long time, combination of current circumstances and the Warhams thread popping up = wtf can't hurt.

    I am lying in an east London hospital, 300 miles from home, with a pinned up fucked up ankle, awaiting a 2nd op after one on Sat. Codeine paracet and a fuckton of morph, plus some others they are throwing at me. I think. A week now. I was hit by a cab last week, due to being  preoccupied with all the below bullshit, and a slight hearing issue, and new gen quiet cabs, and being a fucking dick. Streetwise 48 year old, or infact stupid fucking wankbag. Not a roll-a-7 attempt, my 3 criteria are instant, painless and above all certain, none of which a 15 mph cab cover.

    I tell people it's fucking mad between my ears, and now in the past 4 years or so both my dad and my son have been sectioned (both at least partially down to me, my dad because you are only as happy as your saddest child, and my son because the poor fucker was bred from me, against my will), so the usual 'you're just a bit down' does rather get me steaming. I know their difficulties don't necessarily mean mine are any more real, but mine were the cause of both of theirs, so ... anyway.

    My son is a delusional schizophrenic (yes, I know what that means) class A drug addict, whose woes have worn away any remaining civility in me, to the point I now scream obscenties at people in Asda just because, and want to ... not even posting the rest of that bit, be locked up even more than I currently am.

    At the moment, I would dearly and genuinely love the caring empathic but ridiculously overstretched staff here, to wheel my bed up to the roof, and roll it off, so I could just properly rest forever, but I also have a 15 year old daughter, who loves me above everyone, so I am clinging on for her and her alone.

    You name it, I've tried it over the past 30 years, every anti-depression on the market, talking, CBT, tons I can barely remember, but it's all shite that bounces off the now-reality of an upset child, so I just find my own mechanisms. However in these Brexit / Prez Bonespurs /Alex Pfeffefffufeffeful fucking fucking fucking fucking cunting mendacious greedy psychopath (yes he is) cunt cunt cunt Johnson blighted times, it isn't getting any easier. I despise having to try to explain to my daughter the world she has to grow up in.

    So. So so so so so. Fucking tons more, but this has helped, so my sincere thanks to anyone who has read it, and no probs at all if you'd rather eat your own head.
    PS

    I still love EG forum, because I love old crap with staying power, like favourite old mugs, and Viz (now not as funny as it used to be when it was even less funny than it once was). I like old style free communities. This place continues to remind me of the Laser Squad Nemesis board, and its w00t offshoot, amongst many other departed sites. Reminds me too of the bit in Excession where ships thought lost 2 millenia ago suddenly pop up and start chatting.

    I've at least 3 old accounts on here, discussing first Planetside, clanning on Barrysworld, Warhammer painting, swapping high scores with Lutz, an argument with Stu Campbell, tons of other lowlights.

    I can see why the new owners might want it gone, just doesn't fit right with the rest of this site anymore, so posting now before it is lost forever in the corporate march to being the first quote on the AAA adverts and all that cack.

    I'd also like to say I hope local is living a vv happy life, I have encountered few souls who deserve one more.
  • BinaryBob101 21 Nov 2019 10:38:37 27,629 posts
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    Shit, sorry to read that man.

    Too much to address right now as I'm on the way to work, but local is pretty good, although somewhat stressed with the political situation. Still talk on FB from time to time if you want to pass a message on?
  • Nexus_6 21 Nov 2019 11:48:51 4,592 posts
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    @challenge_hanukkah

    I have this exact same problem. Day-long headaches, blindingly painful too. Sore face, sore jaw, sore gums. Affects my mood and my temper.

    I went to the dentist recently as I had a bleeding gum and the x-ray came back with, of all things, wisdom teeth.

    Whenever I had a sore head I also had sore gums/teeth so thought they were both sore because of 'x' - turns out it might have been sore at least partially from the wisdom teeth.

    I am 40 btw (no honestly I am, yes thank you I don't look it you're right) so didn't imagine wisdom teeth would be a problem

    I've also been referred to the dental hospital for a check on the clenching to see what can be done. I'll report back here if its anything other than a bite guard they propose. I notice I'm doing it even during the day so could be stress also. I need to remind myself to consciously stop clenching....
  • IRWATWO 21 Nov 2019 13:02:35 566 posts
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    BinaryBob101 wrote:
    Shit, sorry to read that man.

    Too much to address right now as I'm on the way to work, but local is pretty good, although somewhat stressed with the political situation. Still talk on FB from time to time if you want to pass a message on?
    Thanks very much dude, and no, she would struggle to remember, I'm glad she's doing well, beyond despairing at the battalion of despicable wankers now in charge. Thanks :)
  • Load_2.0 21 Nov 2019 15:06:12 31,048 posts
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    I have no wisdom to offer but by all means post away if it helps!

    In an incredibly selfish fashion your situation makes me feel incredibly lucky so it's a win/win.

    Also who crosses a street without casting prismatic wall?
  • IRWATWO 21 Nov 2019 17:00:02 566 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    I have no wisdom to offer but by all means post away if it helps!

    In an incredibly selfish fashion your situation makes me feel incredibly lucky so it's a win/win.

    Also who crosses a street without casting prismatic wall?
    Every cloud :)

    And I did, someone must have left a dispel scroll in his cab.
  • BinaryBob101 21 Nov 2019 18:02:31 27,629 posts
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    Nah man, local never forgets anything.

    Anyway, offer there if you want. Hope there's some light at the end of the tunnel soon for you.
  • IRWATWO 21 Nov 2019 19:24:11 566 posts
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    BinaryBob101 wrote:
    Nah man, local never forgets anything.

    Anyway, offer there if you want. Hope there's some light at the end of the tunnel soon for you.
    It'a probably a taxi with its lights on.

    I'm Jim and was in touch with her when she was trying for first sprog, however long ago that was. 6 years? Dunno. 'Oh, that dick', she won't say, because she's local. My sincere regards to her. And thanks generally to you too dude.
  • challenge_hanukkah 21 Nov 2019 19:33:22 12,202 posts
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    @Nexus_6

    Let me know how it goes dude.

    You might get on with the bite guard better than I did.
  • BinaryBob101 21 Nov 2019 19:47:23 27,629 posts
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    IRWATWO wrote:
    BinaryBob101 wrote:
    Nah man, local never forgets anything.

    Anyway, offer there if you want. Hope there's some light at the end of the tunnel soon for you.
    It'a probably a taxi with its lights on.

    I'm Jim and was in touch with her when she was trying for first sprog, however long ago that was. 6 years? Dunno. 'Oh, that dick', she won't say, because she's local. My sincere regards to her. And thanks generally to you too dude.

    Not at all, Jim. I'll pm her now man. Try to chill, do something you love.

    All the best.
  • IRWATWO 21 Nov 2019 20:19:55 566 posts
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    @BinaryBob101 pretty much stopped doing things I love, they all seem so pointless, not to mention impractical in many cases currently, but I am managing to read, Neuromancer currently for probably the first time in 20 years, so yeah, doing my best. Thanks very much again
  • Nexus_6 26 Nov 2019 16:50:23 4,592 posts
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    @challenge_hanukkah

    So i had my appointment today. Very thorough review of lifestyle and medical history and a good chat about all things dental.
    Then a good examination of my head and face and neck. The doctor had a student in so was relaying exactly what she was doing which was great.
    Long and short of it is I don't seem to be grinding as much as 'posturing' with my jaw which can cause pain. It appears to be a muscular issue.
    She has done a series of stretches/mouth exercises to do morning and evening and any time it feels like I'm getting a headache or pain.
    After that, an appointment at the dentist to see about a bite guard on the upper teeth that can stop grinding although might not work.
    If I still need something there is an anti-depressant (!) that they can prescribe. It's common for low level pain and often used but it doesnt affect mood by all accounts. Still not keen.

    If you put your hands against your face at your jaw where it joins the skull and clench your teeth, there can be a big movement in the muscles - mine isnt over pronounced but if you do the same at your temples I have an over developed muscle there which can be causing distress.

    Hope this helps. I'll post the exercises when the letter comes through (as description i give might not hold up...)
  • challenge_hanukkah 26 Nov 2019 18:12:07 12,202 posts
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    That's very comprehensive, thank you.

    I have tried similar stuff. I've even had physio where a rather elderly lady put her thumb in my gob and 'manipulated' my jaw. Thankfully she couldn't see the tent I'd obviously pitched.

    I do some prescribed stretches and exercises around my head, neck and gob, but these really only offer momentary relief. They tend to unstiffen shit, but don't really do much in the way of pain relief.

    Anyway, hopefully it'll work out better for you.
  • Dougs 26 Nov 2019 18:33:44 92,734 posts
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    My wife woke me up last night to tell me to stop grinding. And she had ear plugs in. It's not too bad, it's definitely a stress thing....when I have a decent stretch of time away from work, I miraculously stop!
  • challenge_hanukkah 26 Nov 2019 18:53:02 12,202 posts
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    Have you tried wanking?

    I tried CBD oil, but it did bugger all. Weed is supposed to be great for it, but I fucking loathe cannabis.
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