"They say that every society is only three meals away from revolution."

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  • bzzct 15 May 2007 13:13:37 1,725 posts
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    Ok, following on from last year's Frasier joke hunt, I'm now looking for the origins of quote above, which I only know as being from Red Dwarf.

    "They say that every society is only three meals away from revolution. Deprive a culture of food for three meals, and you'll have an anarchy. And it's true, isn't it? You haven't eaten for a couple of days, and you've turned into a barbarian."

    What I want to know is if it refers to/is based on something else, or if the idea really is a Red Dwarf coinage. Basic googling skills haven't helped answer it - any experts out there that know anything?

    Edited by Kolmar at 13:19:25 15-05-2007
  • NthSimulachum 15 May 2007 13:18:31 785 posts
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    I thought it was cannibalism. Rather than revolution. No idea who was the first to say it.

    Edited by NthSimulachum at 13:19:02 15-05-2007
  • bzzct 15 May 2007 13:21:37 1,725 posts
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    (@Nth - nah, a quick google of the script says it's revolution)
  • coojam 15 May 2007 13:22:06 625 posts
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    I guess it's vaguely based on the "let them eat cake" thing that caused uproar in France.
  • Fat-Boy 15 May 2007 13:23:03 4,300 posts
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    Which she didn't say, it was a mistranslation.

    So Mark Corrigan tells me.
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 13:25:49
    "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
  • Fat-Boy 15 May 2007 13:26:32 4,300 posts
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    Are you doubting one of The El Dude Brothers?
  • bzzct 15 May 2007 13:27:33 1,725 posts
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    frod wrote:
    Plato!
    Picking random names doesn't count :-P.

    According to wiki, the cake thing wasn't mistranslated, she just never said it in the first place.
  • Official-Capcom-Guy 15 May 2007 13:54:16 425 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"


    Rosseau apparently coined the phrase, claiming a princess had said it. Marie Antoinette was still a young girl in Austria at the time so it wouldn't have been her.
    Also, at the time, there was a law to say if a baker ran out of bread he had to sell fancy breads like brioche at the price of normal bread - so it's not as cold-hearted as it sounds.
  • glaeken 15 May 2007 13:59:34 12,003 posts
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    It's not originally from Red Dwarf as I had heard it before it was in Red Dwarf. Interestingly a Google search produced the below result.

    http://blog.megacity.org/archives/002090.php

    In the search for a proper source I am thinking maybe Marx. It sounds like his sort of thing.
  • DaM 15 May 2007 14:02:57 17,284 posts
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    Official Capcom Guy wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

    Also, at the time, there was a law to say if a baker ran out of bread he had to sell fancy breads like brioche at the price of normal bread - so it's not as cold-hearted as it sounds.

    We need to lobby Parliament to make Greggs do this.
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 14:04:19
    DaM wrote:
    Official Capcom Guy wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

    Also, at the time, there was a law to say if a baker ran out of bread he had to sell fancy breads like brioche at the price of normal bread - so it's not as cold-hearted as it sounds.

    We need to lobby Parliament to make Greggs do this.

    So if they run out of shit sandwiches they have to sell expensive shit sandwiches cheaper?
  • bzzct 15 May 2007 14:06:12 1,725 posts
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    Hmm, some suggestions here, but nothing definitive.
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 14:06:33
    MI5 have a rule for this as well
  • bzzct 15 May 2007 14:10:23 1,725 posts
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    frod wrote:
    it's plato and barbarism.
    Any idea where he says it?
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 14:12:12
    Greece.
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 14:12:14
    Kolmar wrote:
    frod wrote:
    it's plato and barbarism.
    Any idea where he says it?

    Greece?
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 14:12:27
    Bollocks.
  • Deleted user 15 May 2007 14:12:43
    /raises fists triumphantly
  • Retroid Moderator 15 May 2007 14:17:05 45,463 posts
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    :D
  • glaeken 15 May 2007 14:18:17 12,003 posts
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    Ok it was Trotsky. Search for Trotsky on the below page.

    http://travel.independent.co.uk/europe/article1089630.ece

    It's a pretty piss poor reference though as it only mentions he said this in passing as part of a Siberian food review.

    Edited by glaeken at 14:21:12 15-05-2007

    Edited by glaeken at 14:22:03 15-05-2007
  • Goban 15 May 2007 14:21:40 9,961 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    Ok it was Trotsky. Search for Trotsky on the below page.

    http://travel.independent.co.uk/europe/article1089630.ece

    It's a pretty piss poor reference though as it only mentions he said this in passing as part of a food review.

    That fits with what I thought.
  • bzzct 15 May 2007 14:27:56 1,725 posts
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    Ooh, awesome find, pity there's no evidence of whether the food critic guy is right though - googling Trotsky and various words of the quote doesn't bring up a single corroborating reference.
  • glaeken 15 May 2007 14:36:44 12,003 posts
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    Yeah itís a piss poor reference as I said but I would be inclined to think itís correct.

    Maybe you could mail the Independent and ask for their references on the quote as it does seem from my Googling that it's a pretty difficult quote to tie down to anyone.

    I am sure their food critic would be very happy to hear that some throw away reference he made in a review of Siberian food is almost a definitive source for Trotsky saying this ;)

    It's funny I always thought it was quite a well known quote but obviously not.
  • ScoutTech 15 May 2007 14:41:37 2,428 posts
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    Well I've found a reference to it being written by Larry Niven if that helps.

    EDIT:

    Damnit. Started writing this at 13:30 and now the conversation has all gone and I look silly :(

    Edited by ScoutTech at 14:43:22 15-05-2007
  • glaeken 15 May 2007 14:55:50 12,003 posts
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    grayson wrote:
    Three meals a day, is this the 50s?!

    It does not specify per day it just says 3 meals. By my maths that is 1.5 days ;)
  • roganfederko 14 Jan 2019 17:29:15 1 posts
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    "Every society is three meals away from chaos." ~ Vladimir Ilyich 'Lenin' Ulyanov
  • Your-Mother 14 Jan 2019 17:33:12 2,574 posts
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    Glad we got that sorted.
  • neilka 14 Jan 2019 18:36:41 22,488 posts
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    Rogan Federko is Roger Federer's hideously deformed cousin.
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