morriss wrote: This is complete and utter shite. It's not an English/Asian hybrid, it's slang for a number of things. But that's beside the point. "British slang. Question inflexion that can be added to the end of almost any sentence, prompting the listener to give an ackowlegement. Originally began as a contraction of the phrase "isn't it" (its self a contaction of "is it not") but now used in place of a huge variety of phrases, such as "don't you agree?" or "don't you think?" etc." This is how you think it should be used.. "Can also be used to agree with a statement made by another, therefor representing the posivite of "isn't it" ("isn't it though!" etc.)." This is how it is actually being used, albeit without the agreement of a previous statement - itself becoming the statement and agreement in one handy package. Edited by Derblington at 20:10:58 28-05-2007 |
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Flightrisker wrote:
Gremmi wrote:
cubbymoore wrote:
Also you missed out the apostrophe since you were using Nazi in the plural sense.
No apostrophe in the plural of Nazis.
No apostrophe in any bloody plural!
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Agent_Llama wrote:
cthulhu_steev wrote:
It's said more as a, uhm... filler word for people who aren't very literate. People who say "yer get me" and "you know what I'm saying" after every other word.
It isn't used as a question, rhetorical or otherwise.
Again, this depends on the intonation in which it is spoken. If the emphasis is on 'you' or 'know', it becomes a statement. If the emphasis is on 'saying', it becomes a question. Something like that - try it out in your head.
I understand your point totally, but it isn't the way 'youths' use it today, and that was how it was used in this instance.
In Saturday's Doctor Who Martha used "innit though" in exactly the same way.
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morriss wrote:
Opinions are opinion. Grammar however, is a lethal, brutal mistress of a science and I've nearly tamed her.
How many times did you check that sentence before you clicked 'send'?
There's nothing scarier than replying in a spelling/grammar Nazi thread.
Actually, it can be argued that Morriss' comma after 'however' is an example of comma splicing, where the comma is not required - commas should only be used to separate items in a list, at the end of speech, or to demarcate main and subordinate clauses. However, as in this sentence I am typing right now, I too have used a comma after however to give emphasis. Grammar is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
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I don't think there is a right or wrong way, to be honest. It -could- use a question mark, but I don't think it explicitly needs one, as it's slang. I'd err more towards "question mark looks better", especially considering it's on a professional site, even if it is just a jokey aside.
Depends entirely on interpretation as well, as the whole thing combined could read "There are no updates because it's a bank holiday" or "There are no updates. It's a bank holiday, isn't it?". Given that one is a byline rather than a part of the headline, the latter is more likely.
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Registered 16 years agourizen wrote:
Flightrisker wrote:
Gremmi wrote:
cubbymoore wrote:
Also you missed out the apostrophe since you were using Nazi in the plural sense.
No apostrophe in the plural of Nazis.
No apostrophe in any bloody plural!
My children's mother would disagree with you there.
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urizen wrote:
cthulhu_steev wrote:
Snuffb0t wrote:
cthulhu_steev wrote:
Used like this 'innit' it isn't a question at all!
Grayson is correct.
Of course it's a question, albeit a rhetorical one, thus not requiring any response.
But not when it's used like it was!
GAH!
It's said more as a, uhm... filler word for people who aren't very literate. People who say "yer get me" and "you know what I'm saying" after every other word.
It isn't used as a question, rhetorical or otherwise.
Yes, it's a filler, a verbal reflex...as for whether it's a sign of the illiterate, well, that's open to debate, innit.
I'll illiterate you in a minute!
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Registered 16 years agourizen wrote:
My children's mother would disagree with you there.
Children is the plural of child anyway. Children's implies the object of the sentence belongs to the children, which you used correctly in saying your children's mother - the mother belongs to the children.
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Registered 16 years agoAgent_Llama wrote:
Actually, it can be argued that Morriss' comma after 'however' is an example of comma splicing, where the comma is not required - commas should only be used to separate items in a list, at the end of speech, or to demarcate main and subordinate clauses. However, as in this sentence I am typing right now, I too have used a comma after however to give emphasis. Grammar is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
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Edited by Agent_Llama at 20:08:40 28-05-2007
Can't wash away the stench of an edit..gif)
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morriss 71,293 posts
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Registered 17 years agourizen wrote:
cthulhu_steev wrote:
Snuffb0t wrote:
cthulhu_steev wrote:
Used like this 'innit' it isn't a question at all!
Grayson is correct.
Of course it's a question, albeit a rhetorical one, thus not requiring any response.
But not when it's used like it was!
GAH!
It's said more as a, uhm... filler word for people who aren't very literate. People who say "yer get me" and "you know what I'm saying" after every other word.
It isn't used as a question, rhetorical or otherwise.
Yes, it's a filler, a verbal reflex...as for whether it's a sign of the illiterate, well, that's open to debate, innit.
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Registered 16 years agoFlightrisker wrote:
Can't wash away the stench of an edit.
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Flightrisker wrote:
Agent_Llama wrote:
Actually, it can be argued that Morriss' comma after 'however' is an example of comma splicing, where the comma is not required - commas should only be used to separate items in a list, at the end of speech, or to demarcate main and subordinate clauses. However, as in this sentence I am typing right now, I too have used a comma after however to give emphasis. Grammar is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
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Edited by Agent_Llama at 20:08:40 28-05-2007
Can't wash away the stench of an edit.
Yuss. I've just fallen victim as well.
The forum should give you a couple of minutes to change things before it dobbs you in, innit. -
I could care less about this.
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Registered 17 years agoFlightrisker wrote:
The apostrophe in children's denotes the mother belong the the children, not because there's more than one child.
urizen wrote:
Flightrisker wrote:
Gremmi wrote:
cubbymoore wrote:
Also you missed out the apostrophe since you were using Nazi in the plural sense.
No apostrophe in the plural of Nazis.
No apostrophe in any bloody plural!
My children's mother would disagree with you there.
I meant in the pluralisation of the noun itself.
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I think you'll find I won on page one, post 3. I've just had to go a little more in-depth for the less street smart.
Derblington wins second place after I stole first a page or two back! Hurrah!
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I taken offense at what this Eurogamer's done with the thread which I posting in. -
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Registered 16 years agoDerblington wrote:
T.G. wrote:
I think you'll find I won on page one, post 3. I've just had to go a little more in -depth for the less street smart.
Derblington wins second place after I stole first a page or two back! Hurrah!
Well it is a question. It damn well should be. However that's not the way morons are using it at the moment, so in a way you're correct. -
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Agent_Llama wrote:
urizen wrote:
My children's mother would disagree with you there.
Children is the plural of child anyway. Children's implies the object of the sentence belongs to the children.
Way to miss the point, fella.gif)
I was, admittedly pedantically, exposing the false idea that plurals can't have apostrophes.
(Mother is the subject of the sentence, by the way, pre-modified by "my children's")
Also try: the boy's club vs the boys' club; plurals have apostrophes, but it's indicated by shifting the apostrophe to after the 's'.
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cthulhu_steev wrote:
Fucking Gremmi Nazis.
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Yeah, but it's not
Well it is a question. -
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Registered 16 years agoT.G. wrote:
@Derbs: That's okay, I'll take second place happily.
Whatever, I is clearly teh winna when it come's to the rulez of gramma, innit. -
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