I bought a guitar is it rubbish? Page 15

  • Drakesmoke 16 Apr 2019 12:47:38 570 posts
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  • Drakesmoke 16 Apr 2019 12:47:53 570 posts
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    @Juz a cool feature for that application for sure but attenuation wears the tubes faster so I'd be wary of that.

    I use lots of clean tones too though and they do sound a but lacking to me unless the amp is pushing air a bit. My Hotrod Deluxe sounds fairly shite from about 0 to 2.0001 and then it has glorious, glorious cleans.

    Guess what volume the band members in front of me want it 😂

    Edit: double post

    Edited by Drakesmoke at 12:48:16 16-04-2019
  • Juz 16 Apr 2019 13:47:15 3,311 posts
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    I need an excuse to swap out the stock valves!
  • thelzdking 12 May 2019 11:52:52 9,475 posts
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    Right, I need to buy a new electric guitar.

    My only guitar is a Fender Jaguary Blacktop, with double humbuckers. Sadly it's on the other side of the world, and I'm not going to get anywhere near it for a long while, so I need something to play now. The thing is I don't really know what I want. My budget is around £500-750 ATM.

    I've always wanted a PRS, so I'm looking at the SE Custom 24, which I guess is versatile, what with the coil split and whatnot. I guess it's quite different from a Jaguar too. They sound nice, but it's not a 'real' PRS. But then I can't afford an American-made PRS, so...


    Then I'm thinking something single coil, so that I have something very different from my Jaguar, so maybe a low-end Fender Strat or Tele (a Thinline wood be cool), but then I already have a Fender, and they're a bit useless if I end up playing heavier music. Plus I'm shallow and hate sunburst finishes and rosewood fretboards on Strats and Teles, and that's all they seem to have in NZ.

    Another thought was a higher-end Squier, because it might be a decent stop-gap until I get my Jagaur shipped over, and then I can use it to learn how to customise a guitar and all that jazz and I'll only be wrecking a (relatively) crappy Squier in the process.


    I used to have an Epiphone LP, which I loved, so I thought maybe another one of them. Some of the current ones are very pretty and have all sorts of coil-tapping fun going on, and I like that. But I've already had one, and it was very heavy.


    So maybe a Gretsch, just for something completely different?

    I don't know what the fuck I want really. I've played on a fair few, but nothing has grabbed me yet. What have other people got. Anyone got one of the cheaper PRSs?
  • fontgeeksogood 12 May 2019 11:56:00 6,549 posts
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    I have got a poverty PRS and it is excellent

    PRS_Fanboy
  • blarts 12 May 2019 12:14:44 7 posts
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    I've not had a PRS so couldn't say.
    The Gretsch G5220 is chambered so won't be quite as heavy as a full mahogany Epi Les Paul, although with the Gretsch make sure to try the Broad iron (or if it's an older model the Blacktop FIltertrons (I have the G5438T Gold) through an amp to make sure the tone is for you - the neck can be slightly thick on the Gretsch).

    Epiphone Les Paul tributes have Gibson '57 humbuckers in - which puts them up about £600 and the Les Paul Custom Pro with the coil split, phase switching is about £500, if weight is a consideration maybe the SG G400 pro?

    I got a Squier Vintage Modified Jag last month and I like it, although I did have to do some fret polishing etc on it, I believe the new Classic Vibe 70s Squier Jags now come with the Mustang bridges by default. Squier Contemporary strats have a different feel to them I think the fretboard radius is flatter than a std strat.

    Alternatively have you considered semi-acoustics like the Epiphone Dots or Gretsch Streamliners?

    Of course if you want single coils you could look for something with P90s, Schecter have some nice HSS models and Ibanez do some lovely triple single coil guitars in your price range
  • thelzdking 12 May 2019 12:43:52 9,475 posts
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    Cheers guys.

    I would like a semi-acoustic at some point, but it would limit me if I wanted to join a heavier band. Although those Gretsch Streamliners are nice. Was looking at a green one with a Bigsby today.

    Been thinking about an SG as they're playable and versatile. And as you say, light. But they're just so... ugly.

    I really like the idea of the coil-splitting on the the PRS and LPs because I'm a sucker for electronic gizmos. The poverty PRS (good name PES) they had in the shop was some Mark Holcomb signature model in a hideous purple-grey sunburst, but the woman said she could order me a sexy blue one.

    I'll see if I can find some of the Schecters and Ibanezes. The other problem with NZ is that the selection isn't always so good.

    Might just get an Encore starter pack.
  • fontgeeksogood 12 May 2019 13:38:49 6,549 posts
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    Actually although they aren't my thing, those budget Schecters are amazing value in terms of materials
  • DrStrangelove 12 May 2019 21:13:49 14,379 posts
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    Have you considered a Jackson? A Jackson Dinky in particular? They come in both HSS and HH setups, they've got that nice superstrat design, but they're smaller and lighter than a Strat and have awesome super-playable necks. They lean towards 80s metal (which is objectively good), but they're pretty versatile and a joy to play. I think in the 700-800 quid range you can get a mid-range one with original Seymour Duncan pups, and in the case of the HH ones, some coil split settings.

    edit: clarification: if I'm not mistaken, the Soloist is Jackson's full size superstrat, the Dinky is the smaller/lighter version which I personally find ideal.

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 21:28:45 12-05-2019
  • monkman76 13 May 2019 08:34:51 14,841 posts
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    Someone please educate me - why couldn't you use a semi-hollow with humbuckers in a heavier band? Dave Grohl plays one. I mean I know that's not exactly death metal.
  • thelzdking 13 May 2019 10:13:55 9,475 posts
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    When I say "heavy" I do mean hardcore punk or death/black metal. You'd probably struggle to get the saturation out of a hollowbody for those kinds of heavy. Plus those pointy metal guitars are designed for shredding. Not that I can really shred, but still. No reason I wouldn't use a hollowbody for more wholesome rocking out.

    And PES, Dr S: I'll check out the Schecters and Jacksons (if I can find some to have a go on). The gothy woman in the guitar shop said she rated Jacksons. I've actually never had a pointy metal guitar.

    Maybe I'll get one of them and a Gretsch Streamliner. Why the fuck not?
  • blarts 13 May 2019 13:49:21 7 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    Someone please educate me - why couldn't you use a semi-hollow with humbuckers in a heavier band? Dave Grohl plays one. I mean I know that's not exactly death metal.
    The main thing with a semi-hollow is that people complain about the tendency to feedback worse than a solid body under high gain, but I think it's just a lack of understanding how to use feedback to your advantage. If you know how to control feedback well, using both tone and volume, even potentially using the pickup toggle as a feedback kill switch you can use it.

    The irony is that if you have a "weight relief" or chambered guitar then you'll likely run into the same issues with feedback.

    The only other thing I can think of is that most semi-hollows usually have a smaller fretboard radius than more metal-esque guitars which have a flatter radius to aid with shredding (the strings are closer to the same height which supposedly means you can get your action that little bit lower and legato between strings can be quicker)
  • monkman76 13 May 2019 14:43:56 14,841 posts
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    Thanks. I like the look of those Gretsch Streamliners I must admit, especially at that price.
  • thelzdking 19 May 2019 08:34:31 9,475 posts
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    Right, the local Rockshop have ordered me (a blue) PRS SE Custom 24 to try out. I reckon I've whittled it down to that or a Strat of some sort. I tried out a few of the higher standard Epiphone LPs, and I really liked them, but they're just so heavy.

    I'm also so out of practice that I now suck at playing guitar, so I definitely need one ASAP. I might also get a MIDI controller and a USB interface so that I can fulfil my dream of being the next Stefanson.
  • GoatApocalypse 19 May 2019 08:52:19 5,776 posts
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    Not that I really know what I'm talking about, but I love my BC Rich Mockingbird ST. I have absolutely no need for the coil taps or the floating bridge but it's a lot of fun to play, capable of such a wide variety of tones and looks utterly stunning.
  • Juz 19 May 2019 17:18:15 3,311 posts
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    Finally got one of my most wanted guitars, despite it being a heavy old lump - 2019 Classic Goldtop:




    Tried this, the Standard 50ís Goldtop and a 2018 Standard HP, and it genuinely sounded the loveliest; could feel the resonance through the entire instrument, unplugged.

    The HP was deliciously light, but it sounded thin. The 50ís Standard was nice, didnít mind the thick neck, but didnít sound as good as the Classic.

    Got it for a bargain price too, and the lovely case, and the smell...God, the smell of a brand new Gibson!

    Never thought Iíd get another Gibson after the SG, but this is something else.

    EDIT: only pic I could embed

    Edited by Juz at 17:26:15 19-05-2019
  • fontgeeksogood 19 May 2019 17:48:09 6,549 posts
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    Nice. I had an Epi '56 gold top with P90s. Obviously different ballpark but it was lovely (if heavy af)
  • Juz 19 May 2019 18:07:32 3,311 posts
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    fontgeeksogood wrote:
    Nice. I had an Epi '56 gold top with P90s. Obviously different ballpark but it was lovely (if heavy af)
    Thanks man. Well, I ditched my Epi Plus Top Pro a while back cos it was too heavy..but Iíve kept having the Goldtop itch ever since, despite knowing theyíre fucking great lumps. The Epi was beautiful..but it wasnít a Gibson, as ridiculous as that sounds, and despite me having a Gibson SG where the quality was shit. Iím glad I powered through my bad experience with a (budget) Gibson cos this is just fucking cream.
  • fontgeeksogood 19 May 2019 18:25:47 6,549 posts
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    It doesn't sound ridiculous
  • DrStrangelove 19 May 2019 18:31:40 14,379 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:The gothy woman in the guitar shop said she rated Jacksons. I've actually never had a pointy metal guitar.
    She rated Jacksons? Don't know what that means, or did you mean she hated Jacksons? In this case, I don't know why she did, but tbh my local retailer certainly does. The problem (at least in this case) is that they have some ultra cheap line, rubbish quality Ä100 guitars with rubbish pups, and rubbish trems which only makes things much worse because a bad trem is disastrous. A cheap guitar can be bearable to some extent, but with a bad trem anything becomes a useless pile of shit.

    My retailer has only that cheap crap from Jackson because apparently there aren't many people interested in the brand. All I can say is that my Jackson Pro (which cost some Ä600 some 10 years back) is a beast and one of my absolute favourite guitars (the only non-Gibson among my favourites actually), and the other Pros (which means, Ä700-900 guitars with high quality pups and trems) I've tried were excellent too. But it's still kind of a niche market, there's a tendency to associate them with cheesy hair metal. To be honest, them still making guitars with tiger stripes and electric pseudo shit finishes probably doesn't help much.

    thelzdking wrote:
    Right, the local Rockshop have ordered me (a blue) PRS SE Custom 24 to try out. I reckon I've whittled it down to that or a Strat of some sort.
    I'm not an expert on PRS, but the few ones I've tried (all SE) were excellent. Not my style, but among the best I've tried in that price range. I wish my Ä800 Gibson SG was anywhere near that in terms of quality.

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 18:42:24 19-05-2019
  • fontgeeksogood 19 May 2019 18:58:17 6,549 posts
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    Always go for a guitar with the owner's name on (providing they're alive) if you can.

    Top tip
  • Drakesmoke 19 May 2019 19:05:34 570 posts
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    Going back to Gold Tops, if you ever get the chance to try an Epi '56 Standard Pro, do. It's like a deluxe version of the soapbar'56 Goldtop, better pickups and an absolute bat of a fifties neck which I love.

    I dumped a load of money into a rewire with braided wire, CTS pots, orange drop caps etc and made the knobs match the actual '56 (which were gold, not amber). Knob pointers. Tusq nut. Gotoh bridge with conversion posts to make it take a US spec Nashville. Fret level.

    Thing looks and performs like a Gibson at a fraction of the cost. You can make a good Epi a great guitar.

    Edited by Drakesmoke at 19:05:56 19-05-2019
  • DrStrangelove 19 May 2019 19:14:32 14,379 posts
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    Drakesmoke wrote:
    You can make a good Epi a great guitar.
    You definitely can. From my experience, my next guitar would be an Epi SG-400 Pro (which has the ideal slim taper neck), install two Seymour Duncan pups, rewire it to my liking and boom there's everything I want.
  • Drakesmoke 19 May 2019 19:22:21 570 posts
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    @DrStrangelove I've done this to two with a third to follow.

    Seriously can't recommend a Tusq nut enough. About a tenner and you've replaced one of the common faults of Epi (badly cut nut). Cures loads of issues, and will bring out more acoustic resonance too.

    Don't know what sort of output you are looking for but for PAF tones the SD '59s will do you fine for mid point money. I don't have much experience of higher gain ones.

    I'm also a fan of wiring in a push pull to reverse the phase of one pickup in the middle position. Gives a really good Peter Green nasal honk.
  • DrStrangelove 19 May 2019 20:09:28 14,379 posts
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    Drakesmoke wrote:
    I'm also a fan of wiring in a push pull to reverse the phase of one pickup in the middle position. Gives a really good Peter Green nasal honk.
    Heh I just found this guitar wiring schematic I conceived years ago with two 6-way rotary switches, two 2-way switches, and one 3-way pickup selector switch. To get as many settings as possible.

    It's 156 settings from two humbuckers. As Cave Johnson said, science isn't about why, it's about why not.



    I definitely need to do one with three humbuckers.

    edit: I am not a mad German scientist

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 20:09:46 19-05-2019
  • Juz 19 May 2019 23:05:19 3,311 posts
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    Stefís back!
  • monkman76 20 May 2019 07:57:57 14,841 posts
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    @Juz tenner says you'll trade it up again in six months
    /guitar envy
  • Juz 20 May 2019 12:49:56 3,311 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    @Juz tenner says you'll trade it up again in six months
    /guitar envy
    Well...I came this close to trading the Strat in for the Gibbo, but the tone is just too good and not enough trade in value.

    It seems that collecting guitars (and accessories) is like an additional hobby to playing them.

    /addictive personality.

    However, since I was ill a while back, Iím just not up to riding motorbikes on the road anymore, so this has replaced it..oh, and playing games, natch.
  • Mr_Sleep 20 May 2019 18:35:10 22,736 posts
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    Yeah, i think you are right. I have never had the bug to buy guitars to just buy guitars. I don't browse around, for instance. I have an Epiphone Aj10, some nylon string thing i started on, an epiphone Casino and an Ortega classical, that is it and I have no desire for more until I can replace these with more expensive guitars which will probably never happen.

    My total cost is around £1500 in guitars and associated stuff.

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 18:36:03 20-05-2019
  • thelzdking 25 May 2019 05:00:32 9,475 posts
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    I did it. Blue Poverty PRS, Blackstar combo and accessories. $1,850.
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