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quadfather 39,069 posts
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here's a fun thing:
the true force of evil that gordon cole (lynch) discovered and was trying to contain? "Jiao dai" (or 'judy'). Jiao dai translated from mandarin chinese: "to explain"
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It's finished? Hope I can finally watch it without needing a NowTV account. -
AceGrace 3,464 posts
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Registered 11 years agoOK, So I was a bit harsh last night.
The more I think about it the more clever it is.
I still don't understand it though.
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quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI need to scan the internet and also watch 17 and 18 again I think. I always get more out of a 2nd viewing and of all episodes, these need a second viewing.
Confused as fuck about coop/Mr C though - whether Mr C is dead dead, or they've combined, or Mr C and Coop are both out again, both in the same clothes, both doing different things -
Devilligan 664 posts
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At the end of episode 17, Coop goes back in time and stops Laura from going to her death, rewriting the time line of the first two series out of existence.
BUT at the last moment, the evil force Judy, which I think is supposed to be the weird white alien thing, and is possibly inhabiting Sarah Palmer (remember the scene in the bar a couple of episodes ago?) stops Laura from being saved completely by pulling her into a different reality, which is why she disappears from the woods.
In episode 18, Coop and Diane travel to this new reality to find Laura and try and bring her home. In doing so they become different people. Coop finds the alternate Laura and brings her to Twin Peaks to find her mother. It's then that they learn that although they're in a new reality, the evil force still exists (the lights going out). In the last moment, Laura comes to her senses and sees that she will always face the horror of that.
I guess on a simple level, Lynch is trying to say that there will always be evil, but there will also always be good men like Coop who stand up to it. This is illustrated by the infinity sign that Philip Jeffries shows Coop before he goes back in time. -
AceGrace 3,464 posts
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Registered 11 years ago@Devilligan That makes a bit more sense.
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quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoYeah, that's a pretty good write up I reckon.
Regarding Audrey, maybe it's just showing that people can wake up, similarly as to how cooper did
dunno
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quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThis is quite interesting -
But why did he need to get to the White Lodge to get to the other coordinates?
When BadCoop enters the lodge in the woods, you can see that he gets trapped in a sort of metallic cage in the White Lodge. The Giant, who's floating in the air, makes a gesture with the hand, you can hear a woosh, and on the theater screen the frame changes from Sarah's house to the Sheriff Station. Then the cage with BadCoop is sent thru that weird golden thing inside the scene playing on the screen, and BadCoop finds himself at the Sheriff Station. When he arrives on the spot he says, kind of confused, "What is this?". He didn't know where he was going or simply sensed that something went wrong. He knew he needed those coordinates to find Judy, but he didn't know who nor where Judy was.
My take is that:
BadCoop was trying to reach Judy, aka Sarah. The Giant in the White Lodge intercepts him and changes his direction where he knows he will be defeated by the people he carefully put in place (Naido-Diane, Freddie, Andy, Lucy, Cooper).
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Humperfunk 8,634 posts
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Registered 9 years agoYeah that stuff is very interesting actually. I hadn't thought about the comment "what is this?" at all!
Also another thought, matey and the girl he starts shagging in the first episode before they get attacked by the thing in the box (which we now think is the thing that gives "birth" to Bob (Judy?)) attacks in the same way that the English guy was attacked before he punched the shit out of it. Unsure of total relevance but the guys in the first episode, their heads essentially exploded if I recall correctly? As did the heads of the people who were attacked by the "gotta light?" bloke?
Which then puts - in my head - him into a bit of a different context. I dunno, confusing myself now with probably a coincidence. -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoYou mean how Bob attacked Freddy while he was floating around in that stone thing? -
Humperfunk 8,634 posts
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Registered 9 years ago@quadfather yeah mate, the whole seeming slashing face thing was how it was with the two in the first episode (from memory at least!) -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoYeah, agreed. Similar style of attack, except the 2 in the beginning didn't last very long. They just got slashed up to death didn't they? Don't remember their heads exploding. Maybe Mother is more hardcore than bob.
Still need to watch both episodes again. Sober would be helpful too. -
gamingdave 5,087 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe attack from the box was more ripping at throats IIRC. BallBob's attack pattern was ramming and smashing at the face. Not really sure what other attack mode an evil rock orb would use?
The Woodsmen simply crushed (but seemingly with little pressure).
The head explosion was Hastings, followed by Cole's line "Hes dead"
Going to rewatch 17 and 18 tonight now it's had a little time to sink in. Might then plow straight back into the lot, or give it a month and see if we get an announcement date for the BR release. -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI want to know what Hawk knows about the symbol. The, "You don't ever want to talk about that" symbol. -
gamingdave 5,087 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI couldn't gather from that scene if Hawk himself knew what it meant, or if he just knew not to ask -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoHe came across too knowledgeable about it imo.
I'm guessing it's the symbol for the ultimate evil.
Yeah, I need to see all the episodes again - there are so many lines that could help tie a few things up. -
Humperfunk 8,634 posts
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Registered 9 years ago@quadfather Yeah that was my thought - she's the big bad effectively.
Don't think we saw the heads explode during the scene, but when the bodies were found their heads looked like they had! -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSo hang on a sec. The Mother entity/experiment/whatever you want to call it
That's Sarah Palmer yeah? Or at least, manifesting within Sarah Palmer
And...and...it's also the thing banging like fuck on the doors in that alternative dimension? Because Ronette says, it's my mother.
Just slowly trying to put it together
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AceGrace 3,464 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI don't think we'll ever put it together unless Lynch/Frost spell it out.
Which they won't.
I do like the theory that the original twin peaks universe resets and coop is sent into a different universe where Laura has been hidden for 25 years.
Right at the end, she realizes who she is and destroys Judy
or
wakes up from a dream.
or........
Shit, I wish they would explain it.
But it definitely looks like Dale saves Laura by destroying Bob and stops her from going off in the woods.
then after that.... fuck knows...
Edited by AceGrace at 15:14:08 06-09-2017 -
Cath4rsis 123 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI'm hoping The Final Dossier helps give a few answers, actually these two episodes did a really good job of selling the book. -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoWell, my take so far is pretty dark, even for Lynch, and I'll probably change my mind, but I think that once Evil coop is shot, normal cooper has to come to terms with the heinous things his doppel did and the fact they are part of him.
I don't think he took it well, and who is to blame him. He has to now be normal cooper, but you know how good he normally is - I think the fact hits him and he then sort of resigns himself to his next task.
Which is where it gets even more dark. His plan is to go back in time, and avert Laura so she doesn't end up in that train car. Fine, except while she didn't end up there, Judy took her from Cooper somewhere else, into another time and place where all the same people are there, but as it's a different dimension, you've got different people - so, Laura/Cassie, Cooper/Richard, etc etc.
I think when Cooper and Diane travel those 430 miles, they realise what they've got to do, and that's why they were so hesitant about it, because there's a 95% chance it's a suicide job.
(Appreciate my ramblings might not be in chronological order, but as we're dealing with time travel - fuck it)
Then, right at the end where cooper takes Laura to the Palmer house, Cooper realises that his plan isn't going to work. Shit, he doesn't even know what year it is.
Then Laura hears Sarah Palmer and that sets her off, possibly killing the entire dimension. Which means killing Judy, Cooper and herself.
It's almost like Lynch is trying to show the futility against the sheer evil in the world - even though Coop tried his hardest, it's all for fuck all. Yes, he saved Laura in the 'main' dimension (I assume?), but the other dimension is all kinds of fucked.
I've only watched them once though, so I need to watch them again. I need to watch Episode 1 first, and possibly 2 and 3, as that's where all the cryptic lines are - and it might help view them again to see if anything clicks. -
gamingdave 5,087 posts
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Registered 17 years agoquadfather wrote:
I don't know why on some boards people are obsessed with "Mother" who is only mentioned once.
So hang on a sec. The Mother entity/experiment/whatever you want to call it
That's Sarah Palmer yeah? Or at least, manifesting within Sarah Palmer
And...and...it's also the thing banging like fuck on the doors in that alternative dimension? Because Ronette says, it's my mother.
Just slowly trying to put it together
I see no way to connect directly that "thing" with Judy, or Judy with Mother.
Does Judy have a physical form? Perhaps manifested as the "thing" that spawns Bob.
But then Judy is the simpler way of saying Jiao Dai, so whilst is a female name, does not mean "Judy" is a female form, or indeed a form at all.
Is Judy inside Sarah? I don't know. Something is, we saw that in the scene at the bar when she opens her face, but what is inside, well, I need to watch it all again I think -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agogamingdave wrote:
Yeah, I know what you mean. When I say Judy, or Mother, I'm always referring to that white monster that spawned bob and ripped those two young uns up near the start. The reason I say mother, is because that's what Ronnette refers to her as (because I'm assuming that's the white monster too), and it's also the prime evil Jiao Dai, hence why I sometimes say Judy.
quadfather wrote:
I don't know why on some boards people are obsessed with "Mother" who is only mentioned once.
So hang on a sec. The Mother entity/experiment/whatever you want to call it
That's Sarah Palmer yeah? Or at least, manifesting within Sarah Palmer
And...and...it's also the thing banging like fuck on the doors in that alternative dimension? Because Ronette says, it's my mother.
Just slowly trying to put it together
I see no way to connect directly that "thing" with Judy, or Judy with Mother.
Does Judy have a physical form? Perhaps manifested as the "thing" that spawns Bob.
But then Judy is the simpler way of saying Jiao Dai, so whilst is a female name, does not mean "Judy" is a female form, or indeed a form at all.
Is Judy inside Sarah? I don't know. Something is, we saw that in the scene at the bar when she opens her face, but what is inside, well, I need to watch it all again I think -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThis is as good a write up as any of them imo -
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/twin-peaks-season-3-episode-part-17-18-4-renewed-finale-laura-palmer-dale-cooper-twist-a7928771.html -
AceGrace 3,464 posts
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Registered 11 years agoInteresting.
I think the confusing thing about it all is spotting which bits are future/present/past and that some parts are shown out of sequence. -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoYeah it's difficult. Might make more sense watching it again from the start and listening to the cryptic quotes which might make more sense now.
No wonder poor Mike kept asking is it future or past. He's fucking confused as well!! -
quadfather 39,069 posts
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Registered 11 years agoHang on.
How did naido/original Diane end up in that alternate reality
Edit - I mean right at the start of series 3 with the bell things, not in the last episode
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Maybe as a result of what happened with her and evil Cooper?
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