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@DrStrangelove I know, pretty shocking. I met him once and he was the nicest guy ever, hung out with us for ages sharing beers after a gig. I guess having these views doesn't make you a terrible person automatically, does make me question his mental state though. I wonder what the rest of the band think, guessing this will have hurt their image a bit. |
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StixxUK 8,755 posts
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Registered 7 years agoRe: Carpenter, firmly believe he's probably not that bookish anyway but he smokes stuuuuupid amounts of pot, to the extent that his mate B Real says he is the biggest smoker he knows. And that's saying something.
I watched him on a video where he'd moved to this 'dabs' stuff which is ridiculously potent in THC.
EDIT: I can't remember where I read this part too, but following the whole 'Gore' thing where he was famously not really involved, I read a brief interview with him where he said one of the reasons was that he'd spent one or two whole years not playing or writing very much at all, and instead fiddling with his new Kemper to try to achieve the perfect guitar tone.
As far as I know Ohms was all recorded on mic'd analogue amps so go figure 😂
Basically I think he's smoked himself stupid unfortunately.
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simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoThe Stef Carpenter stuff is disappointing but I guess there’s more than Chino’s love of Sade for them not to get on and frustrate each other. Like you say, he’s basically smoked himself stupid.
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damagedinc 3,105 posts
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Registered 10 years agoSaw the devin Townsend stream/gig thanks to YouTube algorithms. Really enjoyed it and fallen into rabbit hole with his spotify discography. Anyone into him that have some good starting points? Seems to have a million side projects. -
I think Infinity is a good Devin Townsend album to start with. Fairly diverse and covers various aspects of his sound. -
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StixxUK wrote:
I definitely didn't want to say that makes him a terrible person. Perfectly fine people can fall for that.
@DrStrangelove I know, pretty shocking.
I met him once and he was the nicest guy ever, hung out with us for ages sharing beers after a gig. I guess having these views doesn't make you a terrible person automatically, does make me question his mental state though. I wonder what the rest of the band think, guessing this will have hurt their image a bit.
I've followed that whole flat earth thing over the last 1-2 years and he just checks all the boxes. Was convinced by a flerf video, then did more "research" by watching more flerf videos, then went down the rabbit hole by consuming all conspiracy nonsense that was suggested on Youtube, and now he thinks vaccines are a hoax, viruses are a hoax, space is a hoax, moon landings are a hoax, everything is a conspiracy.
And taking the red pill makes you feel smarter than all those blue-pill sheep. You are one of the few who aren't naive, you're among the few who can see the truth. That makes it much harder to return, imagine that admitting your mistake moves you from someone who's smarter than everyone else to someone who was stupider than everyone else.
It's depressing to see any decent person getting lost like that. Probably even more so if it's someone like Stephen.
Smoking your brain to pulp doesn't make you a flat earther, but I suspect it helps.
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simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI suppose its more disappointing because for all their sleepy eyed stoner reputation Deftones were also considered the smarter, more emotionally literate ones (alongside Incubus I guess) so we expect better of them than we would from most of their peers.
Although who’d have ever guessed Corey Taylor would end up on QI
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Drakesmoke 896 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIs the last seven months of this thread missing for anybody else?!
EDIT as if by magic posting this has cured it for me. Weird.
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Drakesmoke 896 posts
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I'm a major Dev Head, like to a buy all of the expensive box sets extent.
Saw the devin Townsend stream/gig thanks to YouTube algorithms. Really enjoyed it and fallen into rabbit hole with his spotify discography. Anyone into him that have some good starting points? Seems to have a million side projects.
Rabbit hole is correct.
For your delectation, here is an album by album summary (studio only). A long post nobody will want but I am a Devin evangelist. My advice, start with the ones you like the sound of first, there's a signature vibe but sounds differ wildly through the albums.
Ignore the first SYL. Curio only. Ditto for Punky Brewster and the two ambient albums for now.
1. City SYL 10/10. Fear Factory on crank minus the bollocks and plus the emotional intensity. Heavy, angry, sarcastic.
2. Ocean Machine 10/10. First solo record. Possibly his most mainstream sounding thing but you also get ambient/industrial bits like The Death of Music. Straightforward, melodic and emotional.
3. Infinity 8/10. Have to be in the mood for this one. His mental health was bad and it gets weird.. Christine is a great pop rock song. Mixture of zany stuff and washy soundscapes. Heavy and weird. Terrible production. Have to be in the mood for this.
4. Physicist 7/10. Heavy, using the SYL band as a backing band. Some cracking songs but a thin and loud production.
5. Terria 10/10. Very earthy sounding, washy, heavy and tranquil combined. Deep Peace one of his most beautiful songs. Was all recorded on a traditional Strat so guitar sound different to the norm.
6.Accelerated Evolution 8/10. Sounds like a follow up to Ocean Machine, more straightforward rock. Contains the classic Deadhead although he's bettered that song live. Very good but doesn't reach the heights.
7. Strapping Young Lad, S/T, 8.5/10. Heavy and thrashy. Aftermath is the track here. IMO the most straightforward SYL. Chugs in Fear Factory/Sepultura fashion. Weighty, bit one note throughout.
8. Alien 10/10. Masterpiece. Heavy, funny, scary, bouncy, techy. He was in a bad way when he wrote this and terrified of fatherhood and stuff. Contains Love which is straightforward for this album but a great tune.
9. Synchestra 9/10. Great album. Quite prog, bits of bluegrass and folk and all sorts mixed with the heavy. Vampira has a polka intro and then turns into Seek and Destroy. Steve Vai guests on a brilliant solo. Production is loud and brickwalles, my only fault.
10. The New Black 8/10. The most fun SYL record, great riffs, vocals and production but a bit throwaway compared to Alien, still great.
11. Ziltoid the Omniscient 10/10. A glorified demo made with drum machines but fuck me, the riffs and melodies, the puppet concept, the actual laugh out loud moments. FETID!!
12. Ki 9/10. Dark, almost classic rock in a Blue Oyster Cult way. Like nothing else in the catalogue. His frequent collaborator Che Dorval guests on some vox to great effect.
13. Addicted 8/10. Fun, sunny album, pop metal. Aneka from The Gathering sings a lot on this, she was a frequent guest from herein. Simple fun. Her take on Hyper drive (previously from Ziltoid) is great.
14. Deconstruction 10/10. Heaviest thing he's done outside of SYL. Grandiose but self depreciating. Features a massive rollcall of guests from Opeth, Ihsahn, Cynic, Gojira and more. Proggy and techy AF, featuring a real orchestra in parts. A concept record and no I don't understand it.
15. Ghost 7/10. Ambient/new age/yoga acoustic music. Very pretty but not essential IMO.
16. Epicloud 9/10. If cheesy bothers you wait a bit for this one, it just is. Deliberately positive record. Aneka guests again. Quite poppy. Includes a re-recording of Kingdom which might be his most famous solo song.
17. Casualties of Cool 7/10. With Che. An at-country thing. Dark, pretty but sometimes pretty boring. There are a handful of songs I adore which lifts the rating for me.
18. Z2/Sky Blue 7/10. Two albums. A follow up Ziltoid story (Z2), which is fun but not a patch on the original, and a straightforward mildly prog rock album (Sky Blue) that's pretty poppy but a bit darker than Epicloud. Some good stuff but whilst accessible, a bit uninspired.
19. Transcendence 9/10. May actually be a good starting point. Proggy and accessible, if not his most exciting. Sounds great from a production perspective. Check out Truth and Stormbending.
20. Empath 10/10. From Death Metal to Disney. Choirs, orchestras, whistling, acoustic strumming, Space Invaders, blast beats, cockerels. A desert island disc for me but can be marmite if you can't get on board with the positive vibes. There is a suite of songs at the end called Singularity that is astonishing as a cycle. -
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Registered 17 years agoThat's a great list and pretty much where I'd put everything too. I quite like the first SYL though. It's like a warm up before everything that follows. -
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Registered 7 years ago@damagedinc I feel a bit ridiculous chiming in again after the megapost but just a hint. Under Spotify to listen to all of the above, you'll need multiple searches.
Devin Townsend
Devin Townsend Band
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StixxUK 8,755 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI've tried pretty hard with Devin Townsend but what I've found is I pretty much only like Ocean Machine and Alien.
Deconstruction was ok too.
The super positive choir-y vibes on the last few albums are mega-unpalatable to me. There's plenty of upbeat music I love, but not this. At all.
Love is a fucking killer track that makes up for everything else, at least! -
My copy of My Dying Bride's new EP "Macabre Cabaret" arrived today. Love this band. -
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Registered 6 years agoStixxUK wrote:
I find quite a lot of it sounding quite slick and produced so I’ve got to be in a very specific mood to listen
The super positive choir-y vibes on the last few albums are mega-unpalatable to me. There's plenty of upbeat music I love, but not this. At all. -
StixxUK 8,755 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI've no problem with slick and produced either. Deftones are slick and produced. I listen to plenty of other genres that are basically nothing but slick production. I don't know how to describe the vibe here that bothers me... Maybe "super happy musical theatre" is getting there 
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Registered 10 years agoDrakesmoke wrote:
I am eternally grateful for you taking the time to post all that, saved/added and working my way through
@damagedinc I feel a bit ridiculous chiming in again after the megapost but just a hint. Under Spotify to listen to all of the above, you'll need multiple searches.
Devin Townsend
Devin Townsend Band
Devin Townsend Project
Strapping Young Lad
Casualties of Cool
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simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoStixxUK wrote:
There are moments that border on wacky or zany that I can see being off putting
I've no problem with slick and produced either. Deftones are slick and produced. I listen to plenty of other genres that are basically nothing but slick production. I don't know how to describe the vibe here that bothers me... Maybe "super happy musical theatre" is getting there -
Drakesmoke 896 posts
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Most welcome, and when it's music I love I enjoy doing it so thank you in a way.
Yeah, totally get why Devin may not be fully palatable with the theatrical/campy happy side of things. He does have a big influence from musical theater and I actually hate that stuff weirdly enough. -
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Registered 7 years ago*Finally* got Deftones self titled on vinyl after deciding that HMV are just not going to deliver the goods (I've been waiting on an order update since 3rd October). An ebay seller I've used before had about twelve new copies in and I bought it.
Firstly, the vinyl is a great pressing and the production and SQ of the LP absolutely shows up that of Ohms.
Secondly, had kind of buried this album, caned it to death on release and have sort of distanced it since, but it's f*cking great, isn't it?! Even the songs I didn't used to like (Bloody Cape I thought was a really clichéd nu metal tune and Moana always sounded just off key even for Chino) I've found myself enjoying. -
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Registered 18 years agoWith the re-release of Draconian Times, I've been giving it a listen and it's still one of my favourite Paradise Lost albums. -
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Registered 14 years agoI think it's one of my faves of theirs too. I'm hoping to get 'Obsidian' for Chrimbo - really looking forward to it and have high hopes .gif)
Speaking of newer releases, it seems time to ask what everyones fave albums of the year have been? I've just realised I've only bought 2 Metal albums from 2020 so I guess it's those by default for me...
Unleash The Archers - Abyss
Havukruunu - Uinuos Syömein Sota
I've enjoyed both of these but played Abyss a lot - it's really enjoyable with some massive vocal hooks and talented musicianship but I can't help feel it veers a tad towards cheesy 80's hard rock territory at times.
The Havukruunu album is also really enjoyable. It's a fun slice of catchy Black(ish) Metal with more traditional, viking metal and other elements. It's chock full of riffs and the catchy folky leads are great. Bathory seem to be mentioned in comparison but I'm only familiar with 'Twilight of the Gods' which I think has the dubious honour of being one of the first metal albums that made me laugh out loud.
I've also enjoyed Carpenter Brut's "Blood Machines" soundtrack and Kauan's instrumental version of "Kaiho"(from 2018) too.
It'd be nice to hear what eveyone else has been enjoying over this strange year.
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simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoMetal wise in more or less the order I bought them
Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs - Viscerals
Chunky grooves and shouting
Bell Witch & Aerial Ruin - Stygian Bough Volume 1
Long slow sad songs, now with acoustic bits
Witch Taint - Sons of Midwestern Darkness
The most grim and extreme band in black metal
Jesu - Never
not really a metal release but I’m going to let Justin Broadrick count
Deftones - Ohms
The best thing they’ve done in about 20 years for me
Pallbearer - Forgotten Days
Ever reliable doom
And an honorable mention to the kings of folk-horror Sabbath worship Green Lung whose album came out in 2019 but I only discovered in 2020 -
StixxUK 8,755 posts
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Registered 19 years agoObsidian is a great PL album - love the combination of death doom and gothic rock.
Deftones self titled is underrated and actually really good. They haven't done a terrible album, but Gore is the least good.
Top albums of the year for me are
Deftones - Ohms
Paradise Lost - Obsidian
Kvelertak - Splid
Haven't had a lot of other metal float my boat this year. Maybe Necrot - Mortal, which was great not quite up to the standards of last year's amazing death metal stand-outs from Blood Incantation and Tomb Mold.
Eternal Champion - Ravening Iron was great as trad metal goes, but to be honest I didn't listen to it that much as it wasn't on Spotify. -
simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoAlso that Fever 333 ep Wrong Generation. I know they’re numetal band or whatever but fffffffuck if they aren’t the most righteously furious band in metal right now -
I need to catch up with Paradise Lost.
I last saw them live in Wrexham in...ooh...around 1992, and haven’t heard any of their newer stuff. -
Beetroot_Bertie 554 posts
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Registered 14 years agoMan, that's quite a journey since 'Shades of God'
It'd be quite interesting to hear your gut reactions to each subsequent album in a modern context.
My memory is fuzzy but I don't think I ever saw them live. Wish I had. -
@Beetroot_Bertie They were bloody brilliant. Skyclad supporting them.
Chatting to them afterwards, they reckoned they weren’t at their best, but I thought they were amazing.
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