ElNino9 wrote: That's bullshit. And gross generalisation to boot. Nice one. |
Any GPs frequent the forum? • Page 2
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Faceman 743 posts
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Faceman 743 posts
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Registered 16 years agoAlso, deem, if your missus is throwing up bile regularly then your GP should organise some tests. If he doesn't, go to the hospital or get a different GP.
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ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoFaceman wrote:
ElNino9 wrote:
Retroid wrote:
:'(
Most GPs I've seen recently have been useless too.
That is because the lazy fuckers will be out on the 18th of their local course...
Doctors who can't hack it in a hospital become GP's
That's bullshit. And gross generalisation to boot. Nice one.
Not in my experience. My pops is a consultant anaesthetist and deputy medical director at a large hospital. He frequently tells me GP's on the whole are self centred and lazy. Many GP's work 4 days a week and take home an income in excess of £170,000+
That in my eyes does not represent good value for money, when in effect 2 trained nurses being paid 1/4 less than a GP could run their sessions :/ -
kdsh7 1,273 posts
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Registered 19 years agoIn my experience I wouldn't say it's the GPs that are bad either, more the inefficiency of the clinics they work in.
My wife had similar symptoms too a few months back - not as severe as 6months worth (it was about a month) but we were fobbed off with some trainee initially who entered all the symptoms into a computer and appeared to give us a database assigned diagnosis. We called the NHS helpline which was VERY helpful, they seemed to genuinely care, and gave us a whole load of things to mention to the GP. Both the GP and the NHS helpline had gallstones down as a possibility the GP (who we got on our second visit, and was very good) arranged a blood test and a scan. Thankfully the symptoms subsided not long after and the scan of the gallbladder came back negative, but it was all really scary while it lasted.
If you haven't already, give the NHS helpline a call - they really do do a good job (and if they feel they need to will go ask more professional advice and then call you back).
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Faceman 743 posts
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Registered 16 years agoElNino9 wrote:
Not in my experience. My pops is a consultant anaesthetist and deputy medical director at a large hospital. He frequently tells me GP's on the whole are self centred and lazy. Many GP's work 4 days a week and take home an income in excess of £170,000+
That in my eyes does not represent good value for money, when in effect 2 trained nurses being paid 1/4 less than a GP could run their sessions :/
Most GPs don't work 4 days a week. If you have any references to back that claim up then I'd be interested to see them, -
chopsen 21,958 posts
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Registered 16 years agoElNino9 wrote:
Not in my experience. My pops is a consultant anaesthetist and deputy medical director at a large hospital. He frequently tells me GP's on the whole are self centred and lazy. Many GP's work 4 days a week and take home an income in excess of £170,000+
Sounds like he's jealous! And how the hell does he knowwhat GPs do for a living safely tucked away i hospital all day?
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Salaman 24,162 posts
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Registered 17 years agoHaving consulted GPs in Belgium, Germany and the UK (about 5-6 different ones) I can say that so far they really do suck from the cock of goats.
They don;t give a shit about getting you healthy. They'll fob you off with "try this maybe" and seem to be perfectly happy to suppress your symptoms without treating the underlying cause.
I honest to god think you can go to just about any "under developed" country in the world and get better health care than you do in the UK. It's lie the fucking third world, it really is amazing. -
I'm not going to weigh in too hard... after all, I've at last found a GP who seems to give a fuck (and that's only, what, after 10 years of living in London). After nearly 20 years of ineffectual GP service my mother has only recently found one she can rely on, and she's really quite ill. An ex of mine suffered from a condition for five years which every UK GP failed to sort out and gave her antibiotics for, which made it worse. A visit to her home country to a private clinic and it sorted her out.
In my personal experience, it's very much hit and miss, with many more misses than hits. It's worth remembering that GP does mean "general practioner", something that many surgery doctors themselves seem to forget.
My last one was fucking awful...
Besides, it's not as if surgeons are completely wonderful either. I've at last hit on the solution to a problem I've had since emergency surgery I had last year - they screwed up. It took 3 GP's to get to one who actually sat down and listened to me, checked all the tests and hit on that only solution, and seeing it's only since then I've had the issue and nothing else is wrong with me...
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ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoDon't get me wrong, i'm sure that there are many competant GP's out there... just i have come across very few.
Just last year i had to phone my local surgery after feeling rather unwell. Speaking to the assitant, i informed her of the situation and asked if there was a chance of being seen that day (this was at 9 am) After her explaining that i could not be seen that day as it was 'bedlam', I cheekily informed them that of whom my father was. After putting me on hold she returned within 20 seconds and informed there had just been a "cancellation", and i was asked to name a time which suited me. Fantastic. However it was clear that i got that appointment because of the position my dad is in, and many other people would not have been given that appointment when they clearly had the time, which is wrong imo. -
Faceman 743 posts
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Registered 16 years agoElNino9 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, i'm sure that there are many competant GP's out there... just i have come across very few.
Just last year i had to phone my local surgery after feeling rather unwell. Speaking to the assitant, i informed her of the situation and asked if there was a chance of being seen that day (this was at 9 am) After her explaining that i could not be seen that day as it was 'bedlam', I cheekily informed them that of whom my father was. After putting me on hold she returned within 20 seconds and informed there had just been a "cancellation", and i was asked to name a time which suited me. Fantastic. However it was clear that i got that appointment because of the position my dad is in, and many other people would not have been given that appointment when they clearly had the time, which is wrong imo.
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ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoChopsen wrote:
ElNino9 wrote:
Not in my experience. My pops is a consultant anaesthetist and deputy medical director at a large hospital. He frequently tells me GP's on the whole are self centred and lazy. Many GP's work 4 days a week and take home an income in excess of £170,000+
Sounds like he's jealous! And how the hell does he knowwhat GPs do for a living safely tucked away i hospital all day?
And most GPs are nowhere near 170k+.
Jelous? I think not...
The NHS is like one big soap opera, everyone know's each other business, Not to mention his best friend from university is a GP.gif)
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chopsen 21,958 posts
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Registered 16 years agoElNino9 wrote:
However it was clear that i got that appointment because of the position my dad is in, and many other people would not have been given that appointment when they clearly had the time, which is wrong imo.
Wait. You're complaining because you got slotted in and seen? There might have been a cancellation. Or maybe you were seen as an extra as a courtesy. No pleasing some people.
And even though you way it's wrong, it didn't stop you pulling out the big guns, did it?
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ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoChopsen wrote:
ElNino9 wrote:
However it was clear that i got that appointment because of the position my dad is in, and many other people would not have been given that appointment when they clearly had the time, which is wrong imo.
Wait. You're complaining because you got slotted in and seen? There might have been a cancellation. Or maybe you were seen as an extra as a courtesy. No pleasing some people.
And even though you way it's wrong, it didn't stop you pulling out the big guns, did it?
No, i wasn't complaining, but i can see that it can be frustrating for people who cannot get an appointment when they seemingly have free time. Was i seen out of courtesy? No, My dad would not know my GP if he fell over him.
Yeah it was pretty cheeky of me and at the time i did feel gastly, but rest assured i bet thier were people who felt worse than me that simply would not get the opportunity to be seen -
ProfessorLesser 19,693 posts
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Registered 17 years agoElNino9 wrote:
Most surgeries and hospitals keep some 'reserve' time for emergency accident patients. So congratulations, you screwed a seriously ill person out of their immediate attention just because you felt you deserved to be seen quicker.
However it was clear that i got that appointment because of the position my dad is in, and many other people would not have been given that appointment when they clearly had the time, which is wrong imo.
You'll also, I'm sure, be aware that even in the medical profession (perhaps especially in the medical profession), there's still banter, so I'm not the least bit surprised to hear that your hot-shot, high-ranking father looks down on the lowly GP and feels the need to take a swipe. "Many" GPs do not take home 170k for for days' work - that is utter bullshit. In fact 'most' GPs are heinously underpaid and overworked.
Salaman - you've had bad experiences, but you really need to revise your 'GPs don't give a shit about getting you healthy' mantra. Suck it up and realise you've been unlucky. Seriously, try getting healthy without them. -
ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoProfessorLesser wrote:
ElNino9 wrote:
Most surgeries and hospitals keep some 'reserve' time for emergency accident patients. So congratulations, you screwed a seriously ill person out of their immediate attention just because you felt you deserved to be seen quicker.
However it was clear that i got that appointment because of the position my dad is in, and many other people would not have been given that appointment when they clearly had the time, which is wrong imo.
You'll also, I'm sure, be aware that even in the medical profession (perhaps especially in the medical profession), there's still banter, so I'm not the least bit surprised to hear that your hot-shot, high-ranking father looks down on the lowly GP and feels the need to take a swipe. "Many" GPs do not take home 170k for for days' work - that is utter bullshit. In fact 'most' GPs are heinously underpaid and overworked.
Salaman - you've had bad experiences, but you really need to revise your 'GPs don't give a shit about getting you healthy' mantra. Suck it up and realise you've been unlucky. Seriously, try getting healthy without them.
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ProfessorLesser 19,693 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI really hope your bubble is violently burst some day. -
phAge 25,487 posts
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Registered 18 years agoElNino9 wrote:
What a nice guy you are. No, really.
Yeah it was pretty cheeky of me and at the time i did feel gastly, but rest assured i bet thier were people who felt worse than me that simply would not get the opportunity to be seen
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Faceman 743 posts
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Registered 16 years agoElNino9 wrote:
Grow up
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoWell fuckface I studied medicine for 4 years before drinking myself into recruitment.
If she is bringing up stomach bile there are an obscene amount of possible causes from gut hormones to the enteric nervous system. more details are required. If the GP's you visited are anytting like the fuckwits I studied with your better off going for vodoo.
Go private and get a diagnosis from someone who actually learnt about GI tract motility.
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ilmaestro 32,932 posts
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Registered 18 years agoSalaman wrote:
Sometimes I actually trip and fall over the dying people in the street on my way to work.
I honest to god think you can go to just about any "under developed" country in the world and get better health care than you do in the UK. It's lie the fucking third world, it really is amazing. -
ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoLoad "$" wrote:
Well fuckface I studied medicine for 4 years before drinking myself into recruitment.
If she is bringing up stomach bile there are an obscene amount of possible causes from gut hormones to the enteric nervous system. more details are required. If the GP's you visited are anytting like the fuckwits I studied with your better off going for vodoo.
Go private and get a diagnosis from someone who actually learnt about GI tract motility.
Seriously.
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Faceman 743 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSorry deem - the thread's kind of been highjacked by an NHS argument.
What's your GP said each time? If you're not happy go to another GP even if they're not in your area. It's like any service. The only thing you'll really miss out out on is out of hours treatment. You can even ask to see another doctor in the same surgery as your current GP.
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ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoFaceman wrote:
Sorry deem - the thread's kind of been highjacked by an NHS argument.
What's your GP said each time? If you're not happy go to another GP even if they're not in your area. It's like any service. The only thing you'll really miss out out on is out of hours treatment. You can even ask to see another doctor in the same surgery as your current GP.
If you're not happy get second opinion.
Yep we have derailed a bit. Anyway, hope your wife gets it sorted deem, sorry non of us could be of any help
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1Dgaf 5,211 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMy GPs have always been very good to me.
Now that's out of the way, I wouldn't wait on this problem. Call the NHS helpline for suggestions, but don't rely on it for anything else. Arrange another appointment with the GP and head to A&E in the meantime.
At worst you waste a few hours there only to be told to go home. However they could spot something.
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Angel_Treats 11,070 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDeem - I have no useful advice whatsoever, just wanted to say I hope she feels better soon .gif)
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speedofthepuma 13,428 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDeem, I would echo the second opinion as like any walk of life there are good and bad GPs.
If she is genuinely bringing up bile I think gallstones or possibly some kind of intermittent obstruction is possible, and even if it is impossible locally to get a second GP opinion, if you are forthright in your request for referral - either to a gastroenterologist or a general surgeon, you should succeed.
To everyone slagging off the entirety of a profession within which a large proportion of people work themselves to death or divorce trying to fit in extras and genuinely help their population: your bigotry and prejudice is fantastically stupid, well done and fuck off. -
NHS = Grrr...
if you feel ill get a ferry to france -
ilmaestro wrote:
Salaman wrote:
Sometimes I actually trip and fall over the dying people in the street on my way to work.
I honest to god think you can go to just about any "under developed" country in the world and get better health care than you do in the UK. It's lie the fucking third world, it really is amazing.
That means you could work in one of many UK cities.
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