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Nike are rumoured to have helped one of his positive tests to go away. Rumoured cost: $500,000. I can see a lot of investigative journalists hunting down the trails now that he doesn't have the same level of protection. Nike, Trek, and especially the UCI (in particular Pat McQuaid) are not going to come out of this very well either. Edited by grey_matters at 20:42:37 17-10-2012 |
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grey_matters 4,367 posts
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It is. I think thats why people are so defensive/attacking.
When it all came out , they interviewed alex dowsett and you can see the confusion on the guys face, grew up idolising the guy and it was a false illusion. He wanted to cling on to his childhood hero.
Whats worse, was everyone bar a few were doing it. So they were all on a level playing field ( maybe not - perhaps its effects bodies differently). Racing in France at least he was still the best of his generation. That what hurts, if they weren't doing it, he still be the great athelete he is.
I hope in some way he can come back from all this. I still think theres going to be a huge chunk of people who will have time for him. But its a long road upwards.
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elstoof 19,801 posts
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Registered 13 years agoDoping for your your own gain is one thing, but you seem to overlook the ring leading and forcing of team members to adhere and put themselves at risk, and the trickle down expectation from younger riders with ProTour ambitions. People dropped down dead because of badly administered chemicals while Armstrong was living his ill gotten dream of heroism. -
Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agojoelstinton wrote:
Even aside from that, the techniques used by USPS put them in a whole different league compared to other teams when it came to doping... and that's before you get into the whole A team vs B team stuff.
Whats worse, was everyone bar a few were doing it. So they were all on a level playing field ( maybe not - perhaps its effects bodies differently).
And frankly, what about Armstrong at the top? Who exactly from his team is going to challenge him to win the tour when he's the don?
It couldn't be more manufactured. Not even taking into account the fact that there really were those who didn't dope (and could have challenged Armstrong based on what we know scientifically about the performance increases). -
grey_matters 4,367 posts
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Registered 12 years agoHow anybody had any time for him after the Simeoni incident in 2004 beggars belief. Or the LeMond/Trek incident. Or any number of other shitty poisonous things he was involved in. Top level asshole, always was, always will be. -
MikeP 2,825 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe Simeoni thing was disgraceful.
LA making a "zip your mouth" gesture right at the supporting cameras sums that period of cycling up perfectly. Sad as that is. -
Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agoThis is fucking disgraceful, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lawsuit in the US by people trying to get their money back:
Livestrong hired lobbyist to persuade politicians that USADA should have its powers reduced. Is this what a cancer charity should be doing?
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Lamb wrote:
Lance Armstrong never harmed me, the media harmed me. They glorified him and built him up, and everybody said you gotta read his book, its so inspirational and grudgingly I did and I was inspired. Now the media comes out fifteen years later, OMG he is a cheat, lets burn his books and crucify him. WTF!?
Lamb wrote:
I'm sorry but this is quite blatantly shooting the messenger.
Still not happy with the media though, tearing down a childhood hero is hard to take.
I'm sorry your childhood hero has turned out to be a cheat of epic proportions, and I can understand that is a hard reality to accept, but the villain of this story is absolutely without doubt Lance Armstrong.
If you live by the sword, you die by the sword, and the media is Lance Armstrong's sword. He is a media mastermind and used them at every stage of his journey with cynicism, adeptly wielding their power to further his agenda. It is quite right that they have now turned on him to tear him down again.
And it is the very least that he deserves. Frankly I believe he should go to jail - the extent of his crimes which include fraud and corruption go well beyond being a sports cheat. He is a criminal. -
pistol 13,018 posts
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Registered 16 years agoLamb wrote:
I'm sorry, but WTF are you going on about??
My two cents
Lance Armstrong the media built him into a hero and now they ripped him apart. I for one don't care if he used epo or didn't. He remains a hero in my eyes for all he did for cancer and bringing celebrity status to the sport.
Epo and other performance enhancing drugs should be studied and utilized to make the human race and its food supply better. Given also that testing is inefficient whenever a new drug comes out, then whats the point? Only ban hazardous substances thats what drug testing should be geared toward.
@MikeP
Kudos thats hilarious.
Outside the cycling world the media didn't know he was a cheat until recently, so obviously someone who comes back from cancer and wins 7 tour de frances is going to be hailed a hero. His cancer foundation Livestrong wasn't started until he'd already won 5, and prior to him getting cancer he could barely finish a tour, nevermind win it. Yes all his competitors doped but not with the same perks at the top as he had, and the most advanced doctors. And what sort of prick continues to dope after recovering from cancer? What sort of message is that to send out to all those cancer sufferers out there, or people who have been affected by cancer. The guy is one big contradiction.
Hero my ass.
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pistol 13,018 posts
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Registered 16 years agogrey_matters wrote:
McQuaid wasn't around until 2005 so a lot of it happened before he was involved. Verbruggen is the main culprit, athough Mcquaid needs to go too.
Nike are rumoured to have helped one of his positive tests to go away. Rumoured cost: $500,000. I can see a lot of investigative journalists hunting down the trails now that he doesn't have the same level of protection. Nike, Trek, and especially the UCI (in particular Pat McQuaid) are not going to come out of this very well either. -
Youthist 13,122 posts
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Registered 12 years agoSo did anyone do the Palace to Palace - 45 mile bucks palace to Windor castle last weekend?
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pistol 13,018 posts
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Registered 16 years agoYouthist wrote:
Nope, but I did a 70 mile training ride around the Chilterns last weekend.
So did anyone do the Palace to Palace - 45 mile bucks palace to Windor castle last weekend?
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elstoof 19,801 posts
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Registered 13 years ago2h44 pistol? 
Thats a Good effort Youthist, it's got some good scenery down that way. Had you done much riding at that distance before? -
pistol 13,018 posts
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Registered 16 years agoelstoof wrote:
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2h44 pistol?
Thats a Good effort Youthist, it's got some good scenery down that way. Had you done much riding at that distance before?.gif)
Elstoof, I can normally do about 50 miles undulating in around 2.40 on my own, and quicker in a group. -
Dougs 85,234 posts
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Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agoOne of these days I'm going to get me one of these tiny bikes and see what I can do on it. -
pistol 13,018 posts
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Registered 16 years agoPsychotext wrote:
Can't see that happening anytime too, the way you refer to us "roadies".
One of these days I'm going to get me one of these tiny bikes and see what I can do on it.
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elstoof 19,801 posts
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Registered 13 years agoJoinnnnnnn usssssssssss....
I'll lend you some Lycra. Some tight Italian fit stuff. -
Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agopistol wrote:
You should see the middle age fuckers going around in packs round these ways. Cult would be being generous.
Like it's some cult or something..
elstoof wrote:
But who will wax my legs?
Joinnnnnnn usssssssssss....
I'll lend you some Lycra. Some tight Italian fit stuff.
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elstoof 19,801 posts
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Registered 13 years agoPsychotext wrote:
Are road bikes all that small? I always picture mountain bikes to be the small ones with their teeny weeny wheels and low saddles. Bikes like the Lapierre Zesty look microscopic to me.
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andytheadequate 8,980 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@Psychotext - ride around on boring roads through rush hour traffic in constant fear of getting run over by a lorry, all whilst looking like a rubbish super hero in lycra?
Went to the Yorkshire dales last weekend and the route we did involved a few miles of road riding. I know a mountain bike isn't the best thing to ride on roads but my god it was dull, even with pretty scenary and quiet roads -
Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agoelstoof wrote:
29ers innit. A downhill 29er looks massive next to your average road bike. But I was talking mostly about the slim frames / wheels and whatnot.
Are road bikes all that small? I always picture mountain bikes to be the small ones with their teeny weeny wheels and low saddles. Bikes like the Lapierre Zesty look microscopic to me.
That aside, was just browsing through some of Mountain Bike Rider's Killer loops when I saw this elevation profile.
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Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agoOoh, these too. lol
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Trafford 8,012 posts
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Registered 10 years agoPsychotext wrote:
A 29er has the same size wheels (700c) as a road/Cx bike. It's the big tyres that give it the monster truck look/feel.
elstoof wrote:
29ers innit. A downhill 29er looks massive next to your average road bike. But I was talking mostly about the slim frames / wheels and whatnot.
Are road bikes all that small? I always picture mountain bikes to be the small ones with their teeny weeny wheels and low saddles. Bikes like the Lapierre Zesty look microscopic to me.
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MikeP 2,825 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI'm used to 26" wheel MTBs, but I do like the look of 29ers. There's also a sub-class of Cyclocross bikes called Monster Crossers, which use MTB 29er tyres. I'd love to have a go on one.
They're getting towards drop-barred rigid MTBs, like Tomac rode in the 1990s. Nothing new under the sun...
Downhill on drop bars, 1" of front travel and a rear disc. LIKE A BOSS.
http://youtu.be/rbWR4uhebeY?t=2m16s
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Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agoTrafford wrote:
29ers are getting very popular in the DH market. Have seen a ton of them in the mags recently. But you're right, they're more popular for XC bikes.
Not sure if they'd be any good on a low profile Downhill specific Mtb either.
Edit - Unrelated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20001685
Rabobank is ending its sponsorship of its professional cycling team following the Lance Armstrong doping revelations.
I can only really see that as a good thing; it's going to put massive pressure on UCI.
The Dutch bank's decision follows a United States Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) report which concluded that Armstrong engaged in "serial cheating".
"We are no longer convinced that the international professional world of cycling can make this a clean and fair sport," said Rabobank's Bert Bruggink.
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elstoof 19,801 posts
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Registered 13 years agoMy teeny tiny road bike, half built.
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Psychotext 62,855 posts
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Registered 12 years agoWhere does the hand drill come in?
Edit - Bollocks, new page. Might as well put this here for discussion:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20001685
Rabobank is ending its sponsorship of its professional cycling team following the Lance Armstrong doping revelations.
I can only really see that as a good thing; it's going to put massive pressure on UCI.
The Dutch bank's decision follows a United States Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) report which concluded that Armstrong engaged in "serial cheating".
"We are no longer convinced that the international professional world of cycling can make this a clean and fair sport," said Rabobank's Bert Bruggink.
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@elstoof
Is that a terrifying integrated seat post you have there? The "and now cut your frame to size" stuff?
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